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8/5/2013 7:42 PM
Isn't that why the Commissioner's office was created?
8/5/2013 7:46 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/5/2013 7:28:00 PM (view original):
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Posted by bad_luck on 8/5/2013 4:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 8/5/2013 4:34:00 PM (view original):
How is obstructing an investigation "JDA related"?
What was MLB investigating?
Irrelevant.

Hypothetically, if during the course of their investigation they discovered that ARod was betting on baseball games (i.e., as in Pete Rose). should that have been disciplined under the JDA?
Not irrelevant. They were investigating his drug use. Like they did with Melky Cabrera (who also obstructed the investigation), the punishment should have been confined to the JDA. 


You're making it extremely difficult to not point out what a complete dumbass you are when you keep writing posts like this.
His attempt to buy the biogenesis documents (his "obstruction") was directly related to his PED use. That's why it should be incorporated into the punishment under the JDA.

Hypothetical gambling wouldn't be directly related to the PED use.
Bud was trying to obtain the documents in order to gather evidence in an investigation.

ARod was trying to obtain the documents in order to destroy them to obstruct the investigation.

Do you not understand the difference?
MLB isn't a law enforcement agency. They didn't have a right to the documents.
MLB doesn't have a right to police their sport?  To provide a "better" product?
Sure. But they had as much right to the documents as Arod did.
8/5/2013 7:59 PM
So that he could destroy them?

MLB should give him a free pass to do that?
8/5/2013 8:28 PM
Since MLB got them, one might think they had more right to them. 
8/5/2013 8:38 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 8/5/2013 7:59:00 PM (view original):
So that he could destroy them?

MLB should give him a free pass to do that?
Why not? They weren't MLB's documents. They have no say in what the rightful owner can and can't do with them.
8/5/2013 8:43 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/5/2013 8:28:00 PM (view original):
Since MLB got them, one might think they had more right to them. 
Well, no. MLB got them because Bosch agreed to turn the documents over. MLB didn't have more rights before hand.

There's a 68 Camaro parked down the street. It's not for sale but I'd like to have it and I might make an offer. My neighbor across the street would also like to have it. Neither one of us has more rights than the other to the car.
8/5/2013 8:45 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 8/5/2013 8:38:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 8/5/2013 7:59:00 PM (view original):
So that he could destroy them?

MLB should give him a free pass to do that?
Why not? They weren't MLB's documents. They have no say in what the rightful owner can and can't do with them.
So if ARod had acquired them and destroyed them, MLB should have been OK with that?
8/5/2013 8:45 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 8/5/2013 8:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/5/2013 8:28:00 PM (view original):
Since MLB got them, one might think they had more right to them. 
Well, no. MLB got them because Bosch agreed to turn the documents over. MLB didn't have more rights before hand.

There's a 68 Camaro parked down the street. It's not for sale but I'd like to have it and I might make an offer. My neighbor across the street would also like to have it. Neither one of us has more rights than the other to the car.
Is the '68 Camaro material evidence in an investigation?
8/5/2013 9:03 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 8/5/2013 8:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/5/2013 8:28:00 PM (view original):
Since MLB got them, one might think they had more right to them. 
Well, no. MLB got them because Bosch agreed to turn the documents over. MLB didn't have more rights before hand.

There's a 68 Camaro parked down the street. It's not for sale but I'd like to have it and I might make an offer. My neighbor across the street would also like to have it. Neither one of us has more rights than the other to the car.
Why did Bosch turn them over to MLB and not ARod?
8/5/2013 9:43 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 8/5/2013 8:45:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/5/2013 8:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/5/2013 8:28:00 PM (view original):
Since MLB got them, one might think they had more right to them. 
Well, no. MLB got them because Bosch agreed to turn the documents over. MLB didn't have more rights before hand.

There's a 68 Camaro parked down the street. It's not for sale but I'd like to have it and I might make an offer. My neighbor across the street would also like to have it. Neither one of us has more rights than the other to the car.
Is the '68 Camaro material evidence in an investigation?
Lets say it is material to a MLB investigation. Do they have extra special rights to it?
8/5/2013 9:43 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/5/2013 9:03:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/5/2013 8:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/5/2013 8:28:00 PM (view original):
Since MLB got them, one might think they had more right to them. 
Well, no. MLB got them because Bosch agreed to turn the documents over. MLB didn't have more rights before hand.

There's a 68 Camaro parked down the street. It's not for sale but I'd like to have it and I might make an offer. My neighbor across the street would also like to have it. Neither one of us has more rights than the other to the car.
Why did Bosch turn them over to MLB and not ARod?
Because they could give him what Arod couldn't, relief from a lawsuit.
8/5/2013 9:44 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 8/5/2013 8:45:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/5/2013 8:38:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 8/5/2013 7:59:00 PM (view original):
So that he could destroy them?

MLB should give him a free pass to do that?
Why not? They weren't MLB's documents. They have no say in what the rightful owner can and can't do with them.
So if ARod had acquired them and destroyed them, MLB should have been OK with that?
No, they can be mad about it.
8/5/2013 9:48 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 8/5/2013 9:44:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 8/5/2013 8:45:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/5/2013 8:38:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 8/5/2013 7:59:00 PM (view original):
So that he could destroy them?

MLB should give him a free pass to do that?
Why not? They weren't MLB's documents. They have no say in what the rightful owner can and can't do with them.
So if ARod had acquired them and destroyed them, MLB should have been OK with that?
No, they can be mad about it.
And take appropriate action for obstructing an investigation?
8/5/2013 10:13 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 8/5/2013 9:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/5/2013 9:44:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 8/5/2013 8:45:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/5/2013 8:38:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 8/5/2013 7:59:00 PM (view original):
So that he could destroy them?

MLB should give him a free pass to do that?
Why not? They weren't MLB's documents. They have no say in what the rightful owner can and can't do with them.
So if ARod had acquired them and destroyed them, MLB should have been OK with that?
No, they can be mad about it.
And take appropriate action for obstructing an investigation?
He didnt destroy them. There's nothing to be mad about.
8/5/2013 10:35 PM
By that logic, attempted murder would not be a crime.
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