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12/5/2012 1:11 PM
From another thread, and because it's the off-season, how deep do you have to go on this list http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/W_career.shtml to find a pitcher you'd consider "poor"?



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(Last vote received: 1/5/2013 8:06 PM)
12/5/2012 1:22 PM
I didn't do extensive research, I just eyeballed them(and clicked a few I didn't remember fondly) and came up with Tom Zachary at 148(I think).

Who's your turd?
12/5/2012 1:42 PM
Pud Galvin, #4 overall, just because pitching in the 19th century was just an entirely different job than it evolved into as we got into the 20th.
12/5/2012 1:52 PM
Yes, Pud is a HOF turd

But seriously folks, the answer is Jerry Koosman, and that's personal disgust.
12/5/2012 1:55 PM
I'd argue that he was one of the most effective pitchers of his era.     I don't think Babe Ruth could be pulled from the 1920s and hit 714 homers today.   
12/5/2012 2:11 PM
I wouldn't say "poor" exactly, but Bobby Matthews at #25 racked up a whole lot of wins without being particularly great. 297-248, 104 ERA+
12/5/2012 2:11 PM
I stopped at Livan Hernandez.  

Jerry Koosman?!? Come on....
12/5/2012 2:14 PM
Screw Koosman.
12/5/2012 2:14 PM
Sad Sam Jones (64) was also mediocre in effectiveness, but great in durability. 229-217, 104 ERA+
12/5/2012 2:17 PM
Posted by deathinahole on 12/5/2012 2:14:00 PM (view original):
Screw Koosman.
Is there a story there somewhere?
12/5/2012 2:18 PM
Koosman spit on him after a Mets game.




Oh, wait, that was Hernandez.
12/5/2012 2:20 PM
Rick Wise (a couple steps up from Zachary) is probably another nice place to stop. 188-181, 101 ERA+.

And I think Mike Torrez (150) 185-160, 98 ERA+ is the first on the list with an ERA+ below 100. But I didn't check them all.
12/5/2012 2:23 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/5/2012 2:18:00 PM (view original):
Koosman spit on him after a Mets game.




Oh, wait, that was Hernandez.
It was McDowell!
12/5/2012 4:59 PM
Why would you foul these esteemed forums with a subject as stupid and archaic as "wins" by pitchers?
12/5/2012 6:09 PM
KOOSMAn AND MATLACK WERE VERY GOOD PITCHERS WHO HAD VERY VERY ANEMIC OFFENCES BEHIND THEM.

LOOK UP SOME OF THOSE 70'S METS STAT LEADERS, SOME YEARS THE HIGHS WERE 60-70 RBI'S, ETC

THEY WOULDA WON 20 EVERY YEAR WITH CINCY,BALT, PITT, OAK, ETC

LOOK EM UP, I DARE YE
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