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2/12/2014 1:12 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 12:22:00 PM (view original):
BTW, I disagree with the argument of "he struck out a lot." but that's sort of irrelevant.
We should probably look up how many times Mickey Mantle struck out. And Arod. And Mike Schmidt. And Ken Griffey. And Manny Ramirez. And Derek Jeter.


2/12/2014 1:18 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 9:44:00 AM (view original):
Seems like great hitters could hit instead of walking.   Is it your contention that every walk he drew was because there were no pitches to hit?

That is retarded.  I don't have to ask if you wear a helmet around the house.  I'm positive you do. 
Almost all great hitters walked a lot. Is it your contention that Mickey Mantle, Ted Williams, and Barry Bonds were not great hitters?
2/12/2014 1:18 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 12:22:00 PM (view original):
BTW, I disagree with the argument of "he struck out a lot." but that's sort of irrelevant.
So you don't think he struck out a lot?   What rate must a hitter achieve to be considered "a lot" in your estimation?
2/12/2014 1:20 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 1:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 12:22:00 PM (view original):
BTW, I disagree with the argument of "he struck out a lot." but that's sort of irrelevant.
We should probably look up how many times Mickey Mantle struck out. And Arod. And Mike Schmidt. And Ken Griffey. And Manny Ramirez. And Derek Jeter.


Would you care to quote the post where I said "-insert name- did NOT strike out a lot"?     Should I wait here or would you just prefer to admit you're making **** up again?
2/12/2014 1:25 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 1:18:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 12:22:00 PM (view original):
BTW, I disagree with the argument of "he struck out a lot." but that's sort of irrelevant.
So you don't think he struck out a lot?   What rate must a hitter achieve to be considered "a lot" in your estimation?
At the very least, it has to be more than 100 Ks per full season.  He certainly doesn't strike out at a higher rate than the average elite hitter.
2/12/2014 1:25 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 12:18:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 9:47:00 AM (view original):
Can you explain how Edgar Martinez was too patient in spots where he should have been looking to drive in runs above all else, relative to other elite sluggers?  You haven't shown any evidence of that.
You forgot about this. You know, your original argument.
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2/12/2014 1:26 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 1:25:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 1:18:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 12:22:00 PM (view original):
BTW, I disagree with the argument of "he struck out a lot." but that's sort of irrelevant.
So you don't think he struck out a lot?   What rate must a hitter achieve to be considered "a lot" in your estimation?
At the very least, it has to be more than 100 Ks per full season.  He certainly doesn't strike out at a higher rate than the average elite hitter.

EM couldn't play a full season even as a DH.   What was his 162 AVG?   96 or so?

2/12/2014 1:32 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 1:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 1:25:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 1:18:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 12:22:00 PM (view original):
BTW, I disagree with the argument of "he struck out a lot." but that's sort of irrelevant.
So you don't think he struck out a lot?   What rate must a hitter achieve to be considered "a lot" in your estimation?
At the very least, it has to be more than 100 Ks per full season.  He certainly doesn't strike out at a higher rate than the average elite hitter.

EM couldn't play a full season even as a DH.   What was his 162 AVG?   96 or so?

tinyurl.com/edgarmartinezstrikeouts
2/12/2014 1:32 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 1:20:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 1:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 12:22:00 PM (view original):
BTW, I disagree with the argument of "he struck out a lot." but that's sort of irrelevant.
We should probably look up how many times Mickey Mantle struck out. And Arod. And Mike Schmidt. And Ken Griffey. And Manny Ramirez. And Derek Jeter.


Would you care to quote the post where I said "-insert name- did NOT strike out a lot"?     Should I wait here or would you just prefer to admit you're making **** up again?
"A lot" is a relative term. You said he struck out "a lot."

Looking at other elite hitters, that's clearly false.

His K rate was 13.9%. That's 251st highest among hitters with at least 5000 plate appearances. Not "a lot" of strikeouts.
2/12/2014 1:33 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 9:49:00 AM (view original):
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Posted by bad_luck on 2/11/2014 10:42:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/11/2014 10:12:00 PM (view original):

Fortunately, you don't have to.  It's right there on the screen.   Unlike the half a dozen times I've said "Would you like to quote the post where i said that?" after he made some **** up.

Just so we can be clear (and I don't make anything up), do you (mike and/or tec) think Martinez's high OBP is a good thing or a bad thing?
Who had the better game?

3 for 4, 2 singles, a double and a pop-out
0 for 1, 3 walks and a pop-out
The first guy.

I answered your question. Now answer mine.

Is Martinez's high OBP a good thing or a bad thing?
So is it too much to ask the great EM to have a few more of the first and a few less of the 2nd?
Answer.

Good or bad?
Also, this.
2/12/2014 1:34 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 1:25:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 12:18:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 9:47:00 AM (view original):
Can you explain how Edgar Martinez was too patient in spots where he should have been looking to drive in runs above all else, relative to other elite sluggers?  You haven't shown any evidence of that.
You forgot about this. You know, your original argument.
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I've tried to stick to EM because he's the player we're talking about.    As I've said MANY times, the players who hit behind him were not good hitters.   You've said, several times, "But -insert player name- walked just as much!!!"   My response was "If we want to compare the batters who hit behind him to the ones that hit behind EM, please make a list."    You have not done so. 

My point, all along, was that I felt EM could have been more valuable to the Mariners by being a tad less selective at the plate.   I'm not going to attempt to guess how many pitches he took per season but he walked 100ish times per 162.   That's at least 400 pitches we know, without question, that he took.  Let's just assume he took a simple 20% of that in strikes.  80 pitches taken for strikes.   Let's say a huge amount of those strikes were of the unhittable variety(64 pitches).   So, in summation, he could have hit 16 pitches hard but he chose to take them.   I think this is a low number but I'll run with it.   Had he put 16 balls in plays instead of walking, maybe he gets 5 hits.   I think, given the make-up of Seattle's line-up, that would have been preferred over 16 walks.
2/12/2014 1:36 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 1:32:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 1:20:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 1:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 12:22:00 PM (view original):
BTW, I disagree with the argument of "he struck out a lot." but that's sort of irrelevant.
We should probably look up how many times Mickey Mantle struck out. And Arod. And Mike Schmidt. And Ken Griffey. And Manny Ramirez. And Derek Jeter.


Would you care to quote the post where I said "-insert name- did NOT strike out a lot"?     Should I wait here or would you just prefer to admit you're making **** up again?
"A lot" is a relative term. You said he struck out "a lot."

Looking at other elite hitters, that's clearly false.

His K rate was 13.9%. That's 251st highest among hitters with at least 5000 plate appearances. Not "a lot" of strikeouts.
Once every 7 AB seems like "a lot" to me. 
2/12/2014 1:39 PM
For ****'s sake, you're like a child begging for someone to compliment his crayon drawing that's hanging on the fridge.

Would you like to quote the post where I said "Getting on base is a bad thing.  Worse than making an out"?   Should I wait here or do you just want to admit you're making **** up again?

That's why I haven't responded to your oft-asked question.    Now get your crayons and draw another pic for the fridge.
2/12/2014 1:44 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 1:36:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 1:32:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 1:20:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 1:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 12:22:00 PM (view original):
BTW, I disagree with the argument of "he struck out a lot." but that's sort of irrelevant.
We should probably look up how many times Mickey Mantle struck out. And Arod. And Mike Schmidt. And Ken Griffey. And Manny Ramirez. And Derek Jeter.


Would you care to quote the post where I said "-insert name- did NOT strike out a lot"?     Should I wait here or would you just prefer to admit you're making **** up again?
"A lot" is a relative term. You said he struck out "a lot."

Looking at other elite hitters, that's clearly false.

His K rate was 13.9%. That's 251st highest among hitters with at least 5000 plate appearances. Not "a lot" of strikeouts.
Once every 7 AB seems like "a lot" to me. 
It's not.
2/12/2014 1:45 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 1:39:00 PM (view original):
For ****'s sake, you're like a child begging for someone to compliment his crayon drawing that's hanging on the fridge.

Would you like to quote the post where I said "Getting on base is a bad thing.  Worse than making an out"?   Should I wait here or do you just want to admit you're making **** up again?

That's why I haven't responded to your oft-asked question.    Now get your crayons and draw another pic for the fridge.
Just to confirm, you think Martinez's high OBP was a good thing. Yes or no?
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