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2/12/2014 4:03 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 3:59:00 PM (view original):
As I understand you, there are two ultimate outcomes to an AB.  A walk or an out.   At least it pertains to EM.
He slugged .515 in over 7000 ABs. So no. That's wrong.
2/12/2014 4:05 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 4:03:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 3:59:00 PM (view original):
As I understand you, there are two ultimate outcomes to an AB.  A walk or an out.   At least it pertains to EM.
He slugged .515 in over 7000 ABs. So no. That's wrong.
So, if he swung the bat instead of walking, he might have gotten a hit?  Maybe even an extra base hit?   OMG, THE HORROR OF IT ALL!!!!!
2/12/2014 4:08 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 3:58:00 PM (view original):
Wanna quote the post where I said Vlad was a HOFer?  Should I wait here or do you just wanna admit you are making **** up, burnsy_luck?
Where did anyone say that you said Vlad was a HOFer?

Please quote.

Also, is Edgar Martinez's high OBP good or bad?

2/12/2014 4:13 PM (edited)
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 4:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 4:03:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 3:59:00 PM (view original):
As I understand you, there are two ultimate outcomes to an AB.  A walk or an out.   At least it pertains to EM.
He slugged .515 in over 7000 ABs. So no. That's wrong.
So, if he swung the bat instead of walking, he might have gotten a hit?  Maybe even an extra base hit?   OMG, THE HORROR OF IT ALL!!!!!
Or he would have made an out.

If he traded all his walks for balls in play, he'd trade 1200+ walks for 300+ hits. Does that seem like a good deal to you?
2/12/2014 4:10 PM
2/12/2014 4:11 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 4:09:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 4:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 4:03:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 3:59:00 PM (view original):
As I understand you, there are two ultimate outcomes to an AB.  A walk or an out.   At least it pertains to EM.
He slugged .515 in over 7000 ABs. So no. That's wrong.
So, if he swung the bat instead of walking, he might have gotten a hit?  Maybe even an extra base hit?   OMG, THE HORROR OF IT ALL!!!!!
Or he would have made an out.

If he traded all hits walks for balls in play, he'd trade 1200+ walks for 300+ hits. Does that seem like a good deal to you?
Can it be 300 Grand Slams?   Because, if we're going all extreme, I want to know the ground rules.

Yes, I would take 300 Grand Slams over 1200 walks 9 days week, 67 weeks a year.
2/12/2014 4:17 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 4:11:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 4:09:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 4:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 4:03:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 3:59:00 PM (view original):
As I understand you, there are two ultimate outcomes to an AB.  A walk or an out.   At least it pertains to EM.
He slugged .515 in over 7000 ABs. So no. That's wrong.
So, if he swung the bat instead of walking, he might have gotten a hit?  Maybe even an extra base hit?   OMG, THE HORROR OF IT ALL!!!!!
Or he would have made an out.

If he traded all hits walks for balls in play, he'd trade 1200+ walks for 300+ hits. Does that seem like a good deal to you?
Can it be 300 Grand Slams?   Because, if we're going all extreme, I want to know the ground rules.

Yes, I would take 300 Grand Slams over 1200 walks 9 days week, 67 weeks a year.
Do you think they would have all been grand slams?

We're not going extreme. Trading all of his walks for hits results in 900 or so additional outs. How many of those walks should he hold on to?
2/12/2014 4:21 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 4:08:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 3:58:00 PM (view original):
Wanna quote the post where I said Vlad was a HOFer?  Should I wait here or do you just wanna admit you are making **** up, burnsy_luck?
Where did anyone say that you said Vlad was a HOFer?

Please quote.

Also, is Edgar Martinez's high OBP good or bad?

I see that mike has gone into full shutdown mode.

The last resort of someone who has argued a dumb ******* idea for 50 pages. It's bistiza's preferred strategy.
2/12/2014 4:21 PM
Why can't they be Grand Slams?   We're changing the results of 1200+ plate appearances over his career.  What's the max number of runs produced I can get from those different appearances?
2/12/2014 4:21 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 4:21:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 4:08:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 3:58:00 PM (view original):
Wanna quote the post where I said Vlad was a HOFer?  Should I wait here or do you just wanna admit you are making **** up, burnsy_luck?
Where did anyone say that you said Vlad was a HOFer?

Please quote.

Also, is Edgar Martinez's high OBP good or bad?

I see that mike has gone into full shutdown mode.

The last resort of someone who has argued a dumb ******* idea for 50 pages. It's bistiza's preferred strategy.
2/12/2014 4:22 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 4:21:00 PM (view original):
Why can't they be Grand Slams?   We're changing the results of 1200+ plate appearances over his career.  What's the max number of runs produced I can get from those different appearances?
You've argued for 50 pages that he should have walked less. All I'm asking is how much less.

Seems like that would be an easy question for you to answer, biz.
2/12/2014 4:24 PM
I'll try to explain this to you.   Using small words.

You ask a dumb question.  Let's just say it was something along the lines of "Did EM have too high of an OBP?"
Now, if I answer that, you're likely to ask an equally dumb question later because I've responded to the first idiotic question.
If I never answer, you keep repeating it.
That makes me smile.

So, reversing the roles, what would you do?
2/12/2014 4:28 PM (edited)
Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 4:22:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 4:21:00 PM (view original):
Why can't they be Grand Slams?   We're changing the results of 1200+ plate appearances over his career.  What's the max number of runs produced I can get from those different appearances?
You've argued for 50 pages that he should have walked less. All I'm asking is how much less.

Seems like that would be an easy question for you to answer, biz.
I don't care if he walks less.   I want him to hit more.   He can replace some of his ridiculously high number of strikeouts with a few hits if he wants and still walk to his heart's content. 

I'm assuming, of course, that we can magically change the outcome of any AB.  Not just walks. 
2/12/2014 4:30 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 4:24:00 PM (view original):
I'll try to explain this to you.   Using small words.

You ask a dumb question.  Let's just say it was something along the lines of "Did EM have too high of an OBP?"
Now, if I answer that, you're likely to ask an equally dumb question later because I've responded to the first idiotic question.
If I never answer, you keep repeating it.
That makes me smile.

So, reversing the roles, what would you do?
I'd answer the straightforward question, like I did for you just a couple pages ago.

Like this:

Edgar Martinez's high OBP was a very good thing.
2/12/2014 4:30 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 4:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 4:22:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 4:21:00 PM (view original):
Why can't they be Grand Slams?   We're changing the results of 1200+ plate appearances over his career.  What's the max number of runs produced I can get from those different appearances?
You've argued for 50 pages that he should have walked less. All I'm asking is how much less.

Seems like that would be an easy question for you to answer, biz.
I don't care if he walks less.   I want him to hit more.   He can replace some of his ridiculously high number of strikeouts with a few hits if he wants and still walk to his heart's content. 

I'm assuming, of course, that we can magically change the outcome of any AB.  Not just walks. 
Troll.

Mickey Mantle does not deserve to be in the Hall of Fame by Mike's standards.
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