Is Bryce Harper playing hurt? Topic

Posted by toddcommish on 9/22/2016 11:36:00 AM (view original):
Posted by sjpoker on 9/22/2016 7:32:00 AM (view original):
Dayum. Dahs slinging logic.
No, he's applying a (partially) unrelated statistic to the example. The example was about driving in a runner from third with less than two outs. Dahs brings up driving in ALL baserunners (including those who get to trot home ahead of a homer).

If he brought the stat regarding scoring runners from third with less than two out, and compared it to the rest of the league, THAT would be bringing logic. As it is, he brought a tangential stat that could be misinterpreted as "reason".

Kinda like the media does...
Exactly. Context helps. The Orioles are 23rd in the league in sac flies (which is baffling for a team with their power) and 28th in sac hits. They don't move runners over and their situational hitting is awful.
9/22/2016 11:45 AM
O's with a runner on third and less than two outs: .261/.292/.452, which is better than I expected, but I'd wager most of that is from the first half.

Runner on third, two outs: .206/.282/.289
9/22/2016 11:48 AM
Posted by Jtpsops on 9/22/2016 11:49:00 AM (view original):
O's with a runner on third and less than two outs: .261/.292/.452, which is better than I expected, but I'd wager most of that is from the first half.

Runner on third, two outs: .206/.282/.289
Isn't runner on third, two outs the exact situation where you should be selectively waiting for a pitch to hit hard? Weakly grounding out to second does you no good there.
9/22/2016 12:23 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 9/22/2016 12:23:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Jtpsops on 9/22/2016 11:49:00 AM (view original):
O's with a runner on third and less than two outs: .261/.292/.452, which is better than I expected, but I'd wager most of that is from the first half.

Runner on third, two outs: .206/.282/.289
Isn't runner on third, two outs the exact situation where you should be selectively waiting for a pitch to hit hard? Weakly grounding out to second does you no good there.
Neither does being so selective that you get behind in the count and strikeout.

Have you ever watched baseball?
9/22/2016 12:30 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 9/22/2016 12:23:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Jtpsops on 9/22/2016 11:49:00 AM (view original):
O's with a runner on third and less than two outs: .261/.292/.452, which is better than I expected, but I'd wager most of that is from the first half.

Runner on third, two outs: .206/.282/.289
Isn't runner on third, two outs the exact situation where you should be selectively waiting for a pitch to hit hard? Weakly grounding out to second does you no good there.
.206/.282/.289 is terrible under any circumstances. That's Hal Lanier territory.
9/22/2016 12:36 PM
Posted by toddcommish on 9/22/2016 12:36:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/22/2016 12:23:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Jtpsops on 9/22/2016 11:49:00 AM (view original):
O's with a runner on third and less than two outs: .261/.292/.452, which is better than I expected, but I'd wager most of that is from the first half.

Runner on third, two outs: .206/.282/.289
Isn't runner on third, two outs the exact situation where you should be selectively waiting for a pitch to hit hard? Weakly grounding out to second does you no good there.
.206/.282/.289 is terrible under any circumstances. That's Hal Lanier territory.
Sure, but that's not really what I'm talking about. Jtpsops was complaining that the Orioles don't make enough productive outs.
9/22/2016 12:39 PM
Situational Hitting implies adjusting your hitting approach based on the situation (baserunners, outs, inning, etc.). If there are two outs, it's not "situational hitting" anymore.
9/22/2016 12:42 PM
Posted by Jtpsops on 9/22/2016 11:46:00 AM (view original):
Posted by toddcommish on 9/22/2016 11:36:00 AM (view original):
Posted by sjpoker on 9/22/2016 7:32:00 AM (view original):
Dayum. Dahs slinging logic.
No, he's applying a (partially) unrelated statistic to the example. The example was about driving in a runner from third with less than two outs. Dahs brings up driving in ALL baserunners (including those who get to trot home ahead of a homer).

If he brought the stat regarding scoring runners from third with less than two out, and compared it to the rest of the league, THAT would be bringing logic. As it is, he brought a tangential stat that could be misinterpreted as "reason".

Kinda like the media does...
Exactly. Context helps. The Orioles are 23rd in the league in sac flies (which is baffling for a team with their power) and 28th in sac hits. They don't move runners over and their situational hitting is awful.
23rd in the league in sac flies sounds bad, but it sounds a lot less bad when you consider the fact that they are last in MLB in opportunities (runner on 3rd with less than 2 out). Also last in opportunities with RISP but have done slightly better than average in RISP situations.

Ironic that you start your post by saying that context counts and then ignore the context of the stats you provide.
9/22/2016 1:24 PM (edited)
Replying to todd

I get that. But maybe the Orioles problem isn't that they don't "situational hit" enough. Maybe their problem is that they don't hit enough, period. A little selectivity at the plate might do them some good.
9/22/2016 12:52 PM
Mick, what you think about situational hitting?
Well, if I'm drunk or hungover, I'm gonna take a lot of pitches like that fella in your dream.
Why?
I probably can't hit many hard due to my drunken state so I need 'em right down the middle.
That's pretty smart.
You think that no glove guy was drunk all the time?
Probably. He didn't have to play the field.
9/22/2016 12:54 PM
Posted by toddcommish on 9/22/2016 11:36:00 AM (view original):
Posted by sjpoker on 9/22/2016 7:32:00 AM (view original):
Dayum. Dahs slinging logic.
No, he's applying a (partially) unrelated statistic to the example. The example was about driving in a runner from third with less than two outs. Dahs brings up driving in ALL baserunners (including those who get to trot home ahead of a homer).

If he brought the stat regarding scoring runners from third with less than two out, and compared it to the rest of the league, THAT would be bringing logic. As it is, he brought a tangential stat that could be misinterpreted as "reason".

Kinda like the media does...
Did you bother to read past the first paragraph? Because everything I said seems pretty darn relevant to this paragraph:

Yes, being able to crush homers is great, but even the best hit 50 a season. That leaves a lot of other at-bats. It's better in those situations to just put bat on ball and groundout to the right side or shoot one into the outfield for a sac fly than swing out of your shoes at every strike and hope it goes 500 feet.

Do you disagree? Seems like JTP is saying that swinging less hard would result in more efficient cashing in of runners. I'm pretty sure the info that the team allegedly swinging too hard and not cashing in enough of its baserunners is actually near the top of the league in that stat is relevant here. You have to include the guys that score on homers because - and stay with me here - those runs actually count just as much. If hitting home runs causes you to score more efficiently overall then who cares what proportion of runners were on which base before they scored?
9/22/2016 1:15 PM
Back in the day I really dug this group 'Smoking Suckas Wit Logic'. Saw them live in NYC - somewhere. I can't remember. The early/mid nineties are a little fuzzy.

Anyway, I can almost imagine dahs listening to it as he types out some hard-core sabermetric REALITY that you mothafuckas can't challenge. Word.
9/22/2016 1:42 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 9/22/2016 12:39:00 PM (view original):
Posted by toddcommish on 9/22/2016 12:36:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/22/2016 12:23:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Jtpsops on 9/22/2016 11:49:00 AM (view original):
O's with a runner on third and less than two outs: .261/.292/.452, which is better than I expected, but I'd wager most of that is from the first half.

Runner on third, two outs: .206/.282/.289
Isn't runner on third, two outs the exact situation where you should be selectively waiting for a pitch to hit hard? Weakly grounding out to second does you no good there.
.206/.282/.289 is terrible under any circumstances. That's Hal Lanier territory.
Sure, but that's not really what I'm talking about. Jtpsops was complaining that the Orioles don't make enough productive outs.
PSBL:
9/22/2016 1:48 PM
Mick!
Yeah, coach.
Every step on your own dick?
Nope, that seems damn near impossible. But I woke up a few times and my dick sure hurt. Crazy ******* be crazy.
9/22/2016 2:14 PM
Do you think the Mick had ever listed to Smokin Sucka's Wit Logic?
9/22/2016 2:19 PM
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