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2/8/2013 8:14 AM
Think of God as a GM making Team Earth better. 
2/8/2013 8:53 AM

I look around me at nature, etc. and I would say there is plenty of evidence of a devine creator. I think it's foolish to believe all this happens by accident. And my position is no more or less valid than yours.

This is essentially what I think of the situation as well.
Nature isn't evidence of a DIVINE (if you don't know a ******* word, don't try to use it) creator.  It simply is. 

If someone else sees evidence of a creator when they look at nature and you don't, it doesn't make them wrong. Perhaps you're simply not seeing it.

HERE'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT:

Macroevolution cannot be proven conclusively. As someone already said, you can't observe one species change into another over time. No one has ever done it. There is precious little evidence to even suggest it is possible, but many scientists and others readily do this because not to do so would mean needing an alternate theory as to the origin of life and of human beings. The most viable alternate theory is creation, and they don't want to go there.


2/8/2013 9:16 AM
Posted by Jtpsops on 2/7/2013 7:51:00 PM (view original):
Ameobas are living creatures, and I still think it's a dumb as **** theory.
FWIW, this sounds like Science ******* saying "Believing in God is dumb as ****."
2/8/2013 9:25 AM (edited)
"but many scientists and others readily do this because not to do so would mean needing an alternate theory as to the origin of life and of human beings."

Many scientists believe evolution and an old world is the answer because there they see evidence of it, and there is little to no scientific evidence to any another answer.

There seems to be this impression of some people that people who believe in an old world and evolution are scared that creationism is an answer.  People who look to science for an answer are looking for reasons, and are open to new ideas.  They aren't scared of them.

2/8/2013 9:37 AM
Do you truly believe that?   Don't you think, if what's been believed/taught for 150ish year, was proven to be bullshit, that many would question anything and everything that science has "proven" now and in the future?   Do you really think scientists are open to that type of scrutiny?
2/8/2013 9:41 AM
Yes
2/8/2013 9:43 AM
Yeah, but you've proven to be a massive ******* so your opinion is invalid.

No one likes to have someone constantly looking over their shoulder and questioning their every move.
2/8/2013 9:43 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/8/2013 9:37:00 AM (view original):
Do you truly believe that?   Don't you think, if what's been believed/taught for 150ish year, was proven to be bullshit, that many would question anything and everything that science has "proven" now and in the future?   Do you really think scientists are open to that type of scrutiny?
Yes, because throughout time that has been proven to be the case. As more knowledge is gained and learned, theories change and things that were once thought of theories have become fact.  And sure, there is often some hesitation at first, but it doesn't take long for the evidence to persuade.
2/8/2013 9:44 AM
Yeah, because scientists lack ego. 
2/8/2013 9:46 AM
"You know your life's work?  Yeah, with this new info, you're going to have to come up with something else.  Thanks in advance."
2/8/2013 9:47 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/8/2013 9:44:00 AM (view original):
Yeah, because scientists lack ego. 
no its because scientists rely on evidence.  when we learn new things and evidence changes, scientists go where the evidence takes them.  They always have and they always will. 
2/8/2013 9:48 AM
What everyone is arguing, yes, Mike.  Scientists are constantly looking for more evidence, different theories.  They want the answers to things.  That's why they do what they do.
2/8/2013 9:57 AM
Many scientists believe evolution and an old world is the answer because there they see evidence of it, and there is little to no scientific evidence to any another answer.

Many reputable scientists across many fields of study see evidence for creation, but that often gets ignored because there is always a bias against any non-mainstream theory.

There is evidence that suggests creation may have taken place but it gets ignored the same way the scientists who mention it get ignored.
There seems to be this impression of some people that people who believe in an old world and evolution are scared that creationism is an answer.  People who look to science for an answer are looking for reasons, and are open to new ideas.  They aren't scared of them.


Yet very few scientists (or people for that matter) actually look at it objectively and allow all theories to compete on the same level. Several people have done it here in this thread when they say "evolution is science, but creation isn't" without considering there is scientific evidence to suggest either (or even both, as some people here have said) could be true.

As jtp said, it is as though the evolutionists all put themselves on this pedestal and look down on anyone else who has other theories or ideas. There is no need for them to consider the scientific merit of those other theories or ideas, as they are above that.
no its because scientists rely on evidence.  when we learn new things and evidence changes, scientists go where the evidence takes them.  They always have and they always will. 

You really believe this? You're putting a lot of faith in scientists if you do, because it doesn't always happen. There are plenty of theories and ideas held by a minority of scientists who present evidence for them but the rest of the scientific community largely ignores it.

Most of the otherwise educated population of America follows mainstream science like sheep without considering anything might be different than what the mainstream suggests.

If scientists really wanted the answers to things, they'd consider alternative theories and the evidence for them alongside the mainstream ideas. They wouldn't shun any mention of competing theories, as they absolutely do in many cases.
2/8/2013 9:58 AM
Scientists do not wanted to be discredited.   It's insane to believe that.   If someone else stumbles upon something that discredits their work, there's not much they can do.   However, the natural human response to being discredited is "No way!" 

You're implying that scientists are not human and, therefore, do not have human thoughts/emotions. 
2/8/2013 9:58 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/8/2013 9:37:00 AM (view original):
Do you truly believe that?   Don't you think, if what's been believed/taught for 150ish year, was proven to be bullshit, that many would question anything and everything that science has "proven" now and in the future?   Do you really think scientists are open to that type of scrutiny?
What's more likely to happen is that the "old" scientists who refuse to accept new evidence and change/scrap their theories are going to eventually be surpassed by the "new" scientists who take on the new evidence and new theories and run with it, and become the new mainstream.

It wouldn't happen overnight, might take 10, 20, 30 years, but that's probably how it would play out in the long run. 
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