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9/14/2012 1:30 PM
Posted by moranis on 9/14/2012 6:27:00 AM (view original):
My comment wasn't necessarily a state of which program was better, but I meant it from a historical standpoint.  You are probably correct about Richt, but the reality is no matter who their coach has been, Georgia has never been a consistent national title contender (even under Dooley they only managed one truly elite 3 yr stretch 80-82).  Sure it has an elite season every so often, but by and large through its history it just hasn't been able to reach consistent elite status.
I put Georgia in the same category as LSU.  It is a gem waiting for the right coach.  Before Saban LSU wasn' anything near what they are today nor were anything near it beforehand.  Saban saw the light, he knew LSU was waiting to be a powerhouse.  Georgia with the right coach could be a great powerhouse.
9/15/2012 11:04 PM
A couple of potential upsets brewing (ND and Stanford are winning in the 4th), but the best win on the day (thus far) appears to be Pitt over Va Tech.  Florida with a pretty big victory over Tennessee on the road as well.

Western Kentucky with a huge victory (for it) against Kentucky and Louisiana Monroe nearly pulled off another win against a SEC foe, this time falling in OT to Auburn.  Big Ten got off to a great start after last week going 9-0 early, but the three night teams are all struggling.  

And Arkansas is an awful team without Wilson getting absolutely destroyed at home by Alabama (though some of that is Bama is just that good).

9/15/2012 11:56 PM
That ND/MSU result was only an upset on paper - that was a complete mugging by ND.
9/20/2012 9:42 PM (edited)
Posted by moranis on 9/15/2012 11:04:00 PM (view original):
Big Ten got off to a great start after last week going 9-0 early, but the three night teams are all struggling.  


great start? Let's look a little closer at the Big Ten results this week:

Ohio St - Lucky that Cal doesn't have a kicker.
Purdue - Beat up a winless MAC team
Illinois - Shut out a winless FCS team
Minnesota - Beat a MAC team by 5
Nebraska - Beat a 1 win Sun Belt team
Michigan - Hammered a winless MAC team
Penn St - Beat a winless Navy team
Northwestern - Beat a team from a BCS conference KUDOS!
Iowa - Beat a FCS team

That's the "great" 9-0 start. Followed by:

Michigan St - Lost at home by 17 to ND
Indiana - Lost to a MAC team
Wisconsin - Fortunate to escape with a win vs a WAC team which missed a 37 yd FG to end the game.

So far the B1G is 4-8 vs BCS schools. 3 of those wins belong to Northwestern.
Of their 26 wins 14 are against FCS or MAC schools.
9/16/2012 8:32 AM
Heh, yeah, I glanced over that last night.  If you call that 9-0 start "great", you basically concede that the conference sucks.  Don't forget that everyone, including the last 3, was at home.
9/16/2012 9:02 AM
The Big 10 is 4-6 against BCS conference teams.  And was 2-0 early. on the day, which is a great start.  Sure the competition was a bit light, but wins are wins, are they not?  And it isn't like the SEC is dominating other league this year s they are 4-3 against BCS teams this year. 
9/16/2012 9:38 AM
Why is anyone trying to compare the Pig10 to the SEC?!  You don't have any other jokes to tell us instead?
9/16/2012 10:33 AM
Posted by moranis on 9/16/2012 9:02:00 AM (view original):
The Big 10 is 4-6 against BCS conference teams.  And was 2-0 early. on the day, which is a great start.  Sure the competition was a bit light, but wins are wins, are they not?  And it isn't like the SEC is dominating other league this year s they are 4-3 against BCS teams this year. 
4-6 if you don't count Notre Dame. 
ND doesn't qualify as a BCS school?

Where did you get those rose colored glasses?


9/16/2012 10:46 AM
Posted by all3 on 9/16/2012 9:38:00 AM (view original):
Why is anyone trying to compare the Pig10 to the SEC?!  You don't have any other jokes to tell us instead?
No one has compared them at all.  The SEC is the best conference in football and has been for the last 5/6 years.  My only contention is that, it is not way ahead of the other conferences from top to bottom, which has been borne out pretty consistently on the field (outside of the top 2 teams where the SEC has been quite dominant). 
9/16/2012 10:46 AM
Posted by philogenemay on 9/16/2012 10:33:00 AM (view original):
Posted by moranis on 9/16/2012 9:02:00 AM (view original):
The Big 10 is 4-6 against BCS conference teams.  And was 2-0 early. on the day, which is a great start.  Sure the competition was a bit light, but wins are wins, are they not?  And it isn't like the SEC is dominating other league this year s they are 4-3 against BCS teams this year. 
4-6 if you don't count Notre Dame. 
ND doesn't qualify as a BCS school?

Where did you get those rose colored glasses?


Last time I checked Notre Dame was not in a BCS conference for football and thus Notre Dame is not a BCS conference team. 
9/16/2012 11:21 AM (edited)

Certain teams are given automatic berths depending on their BCS ranking and conference, as follows:

  • The top two teams are given automatic berths in the BCS National Championship Game.
  • The champion of a BCS conference[6] (ACC, Big 12, Big East, Big Ten, Pac-12, and SEC) is guaranteed an automatic BCS bowl bid.
  • Due to the "Notre Dame rule",[7] independent Notre Dame receives an automatic berth if it finishes in the top eight.

That means Notre Dame is definitely considered a BCS team according to everyone in the country except you.

You are continually making yourself look silly in this thread with those types of comments.

9/16/2012 12:39 PM
Posted by philogenemay on 9/16/2012 11:21:00 AM (view original):

Certain teams are given automatic berths depending on their BCS ranking and conference, as follows:

  • The top two teams are given automatic berths in the BCS National Championship Game.
  • The champion of a BCS conference[6] (ACC, Big 12, Big East, Big Ten, Pac-12, and SEC) is guaranteed an automatic BCS bowl bid.
  • Due to the "Notre Dame rule",[7] independent Notre Dame receives an automatic berth if it finishes in the top eight.

That means Notre Dame is definitely considered a BCS team according to everyone in the country except you.

You are continually making yourself look silly in this thread with those types of comments.

Notre Dame is not a BCS conference team, period.  It is not in a BCS conference, period. 

And you should really print all of the rules, like say this one

3.
The champion of Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, or the Western Athletic Conference will earn an automatic berth in a BCS bowl game if either:

  A. Such team is ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings, or,
  B. Such team is ranked in the top 16 of the final BCS Standings and its ranking in the final BCS Standings is higher than that of a champion of a conference that has an annual automatic berth in one of the BCS bowls.

No more than one such team from Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, and the Western Athletic Conference shall earn an automatic berth in any year. (Note: a second team may be eligible for at-large eligibility as noted below.) If two or more teams from those conferences satisfy the provisions for an automatic berth, then the team with the highest finish in the final BCS Standings will receive the automatic berth, and the remaining team or teams will be considered for at-large selection if it meets the criteria.


I guess since those conference also get automatic qualifying if certain conditions are met, they too are BCS conference teams.  
9/16/2012 1:22 PM
So last week, you mention Notre Dame alongside the BCS conference teams to bolster the strength of the opponents in the Big 10 losses, and this week you're clinging to a technicality to keep them out of the conversation?  Nice.

ND isn't a BCS conference school, but they are a "major" - and they are closer to a true AQ than the smaller conferences, because a small conference champ could meet every other requirement and still get left out 2 of them meet the criteria.
9/16/2012 5:50 PM
Posted by AlCheez on 9/16/2012 1:22:00 PM (view original):
So last week, you mention Notre Dame alongside the BCS conference teams to bolster the strength of the opponents in the Big 10 losses, and this week you're clinging to a technicality to keep them out of the conversation?  Nice.

ND isn't a BCS conference school, but they are a "major" - and they are closer to a true AQ than the smaller conferences, because a small conference champ could meet every other requirement and still get left out 2 of them meet the criteria.
There are plenty of quality teams that there would be no shame in losing to that are not in BCS conferences.  Notre Dame is one of them.  Boise State, TCU, Utah, and BYU in past years would qualify as well.  But the reality is Notre Dame is not in a BCS conference for football and is thus not a BCS conference team.  There really isn't any other way to put that. 
9/16/2012 6:58 PM (edited)
Congratulations on your triumph in a meaningless debate of syntax.

Also, as a ND fan, I'm not really sure ND gets the "no shame in losing to" mark on reputation at this point, which is all you were giving it to them on after 2 weeks.  NOW it looks like they might be a high quality opponent.
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