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12/8/2011 11:40 PM (edited)
I have doing some pretty extensive research on pitcher values in OLs and I am getting pretty close to being finished.  I thought that I'd share a sneak peak at my findings, so I present the 10 biggest values* in absolute salary dollars in the sim.


1908 Addie Joss, 342ip  $1.77
1909 Cy Morgan, 311ip  $1.73
1908 Ed Summers, 319ip  $1.30
1909 Cy Morgan, 243ip  $1.52
1907 Addie Joss, 361ip  $1.44
1909 Ed Summers, 301ip  $1.30
1906 Jack Pfiester, 268ip  $1.35
1905 Irv Young, 398ip  $1.32
1907 Tully Sparks, 293ip  $1.31
1918 Stan Covelski, 397ip  $1.29


*I am defining value as the difference between actual salary and expected salary based on performance or expected performance in OLs.  
12/8/2011 3:44 AM
Interesting.  At the risk of stating the obvious, the number of pitchers outside the 1900-1910 decade is exactly one.  Conspicuous by omission are Mordecai Brown`08, Ed Walsh `07, Bill Bernhard `02, Jack Taylor `02 and Doc White `06.  Especially Bernhard.   Do you have the right dollar figure for Ed Summers `08?  Surprised to see him listed ahead of Ed Summers `09 and not sure if that was what you intended.
12/8/2011 8:57 AM
I don't understand what the dollars mean. Does that mean that Joss should cost 1.77 times more than he does?
12/8/2011 9:06 AM
no just add 1.77 to his salary


"value as the difference between actual salary and expected salary base"
12/8/2011 3:12 PM
I guess we'll see this in the finished product, but how much of a difference does fielding normalisation make to these values? Just eyeballing the charts, it seems it should be affecting the 1900's AL pitchers a fair bit, though not so much the 1900's NL pitchers.
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12/8/2011 11:29 PM
Posted by brianjw on 12/8/2011 3:12:00 PM (view original):
I guess we'll see this in the finished product, but how much of a difference does fielding normalisation make to these values? Just eyeballing the charts, it seems it should be affecting the 1900's AL pitchers a fair bit, though not so much the 1900's NL pitchers.
I did not consider how fielding affects run scoring [against].  My study was tsrictly era.
12/8/2011 11:36 PM
Posted by seels on 12/8/2011 10:59:00 PM (view original):

Nice list, but I'm not sure going purely by dollars is the best way to do it.  For example I bet there are $400K pitchers worth twice as much as they cost.

I looked at that too.

Year Last Name First name Team IP Salary Actual $/IP Expect $/IP Value/IP ($/IP) Value ($)
1988 Milacki Bob Baltimore Orioles 26.0 $1,231,122 $47,351 $59,311 $11,961 $310,976
1910 White Kirby Boston Doves 28.0 $474,927 $16,962 $27,157 $10,196 $285,479
1983 Heathcock Jeff Houston Astros 28.0 $1,045,024 $37,322 $47,466 $10,144 $284,020
1918 Toney Fred New York Giants 112.0 $4,203,375 $37,530 $47,489 $9,958 $1,115,341
1918 Northrop Jake Boston Braves 53.0 $2,234,464 $42,160 $52,115 $9,955 $527,637
1921 Shea Red New York Giants 34.0 $812,436 $23,895 $33,837 $9,942 $338,027
1915 McCabe Tim St. Louis Browns 44.0 $1,476,708 $33,562 $43,186 $9,624 $423,458
1942 Biscan Frank St. Louis Browns 29.0 $1,084,342 $37,391 $46,985 $9,594 $278,229
1915 Dumont George Washington Senators 43.0 $1,650,416 $38,382 $47,803 $9,421 $405,092
1910 Moyer Ed Washington Senators 27.0 $242,832 $8,994 $18,323 $9,329 $251,889
1915 George Lefty Cincinnati Reds 30.0 $441,636 $14,721 $23,980 $9,259 $277,767
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12/9/2011 12:19 PM
I'm curious how you figured out what their expected salary (or expected $/IP to be exact)? 
12/9/2011 12:28 PM
Complex zubinistic math!
12/10/2011 2:09 PM
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12/12/2011 9:58 PM
Posted by boogerlips on 12/12/2011 3:41:00 AM (view original):
Nice call Boog. 
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