3/5/2013 3:07 PM
I'd heard that the workers took their tools with them, and firing meant the tools were melted down so they couldn't get another job. Was reserved for high degrees of mayhem or suckitude. Don't know whether it's true. 
6/1/2013 3:17 AM
It's been 3 months. This is at Tennessee in Crum.

Season Coach Overall
W-L
Home
W-L
Road
W-L
Neutral
W-L
Conf
W-L
Rank RPI SOS Prestige Notes
60 jeffdbrown 3-24 1-12 2-11 0-1 1-15   282 118 D+  
59 jeffdbrown 7-20 6-10 1-9 0-1 3-13   232 91 D+  
58 jeffdbrown 8-19 7-10 1-8 0-1 4-12   205 73 C-  
57 jeffdbrown 7-20 6-9 1-10 0-1 2-14   218 71 C-  
56 jeffdbrown 6-21 2-12 4-8 0-1 3-13   214 77 C-  
55 jeffdbrown 14-14 8-4 5-9 1-1 6-10   124 98 C  
54 jeffdbrown 9-18 6-10 3-7 0-1 3-13   164 65 C  
53 jeffdbrown 8-19 6-7 2-11 0-1 4-12   198 70 C  
52 jeffdbrown 8-19 6-7 2-11 0-1 3-13   165 57 C+  
51 jeffdbrown 17-16 8-7 6-8 3-1 7-9   90 58 C+ PI (3rd Round)
50 jeffdbrown 11-17 6-7 4-9 1-1 6-10   144 72 C+  
49 jeffdbrown 5-22 3-11 2-10 0-1 2-14   212 59 C+  
48 jeffdbrown 14-13 7-7 7-5 0-1 10-6   107 63 B- Conf Champion
47 jeffdbrown 18-11 10-3 7-6 1-2 10-6   49 51 B- NT At-large Bid
NT (1st Round)
46 jeffdbrown 17-14 6-8 8-5 3-1 7-9   89 66 C+ PI (1st Round)
45 jeffdbrown 9-18 5-8 4-9 0-1 6-10   248 174 C+  
44 jeffdbrown 15-13 7-6 7-6 1-1 8-8   90 78 C+  
43 jeffdbrown 16-12 11-3 5-8 0-1 9-7   82 84 C+ PI (1st Round)
42 jeffdbrown 14-13 9-5 5-7 0-1 8-8   110 70 C+  
41 jeffdbrown 5-22 4-10 1-11 0-1 4-12   237 51 B-  
40 jeffdbrown 19-10 10-4 8-4 1-2 12-4   42 43 B NT At-large Bid
NT (1st Round)
39 jeffdbrown 16-14 7-7 7-6 2-1 6-10   75 37 B- PI (1st Round)
38 jeffdbrown 6-21 4-10 2-10 0-1 4-12   219 54 B-  
37 jeffdbrown 19-13 11-4 7-7 1-2 9-7   45 28 B PI (Final Four)
36 jeffdbrown 15-13 8-5 7-7 0-1 8-8   81 51 B PI (1st Round)
35 jeffdbrown 11-16 6-6 5-9 0-1 7-9   114 36 B+  
34 jeffdbrown 18-13 10-3 5-8 3-2 7-9   36 14 A- NT At-large Bid
NT (1st Round)
33 jeffdbrown 17-14 9-4 5-8 3-2 9-7   51 16 A- NT At-large Bid
NT (1st Round)
6/1/2013 4:26 AM
damn you know you failed when you take an A- school and turn them into a D+
6/1/2013 11:08 AM
Well it did take him 27 seasons to do that. He must have been at least somewhat active still as he filled his non-conference schedule. This is a good example of how bad the firing process is. I'd figure most people would want him gone around season 56, instead he got 4 more seasons.
6/1/2013 11:50 AM
In real life, he'd have been fired after season 38. In WIS, you can make a pretty good argument that he should be gone after season 45. Five straight seasons with a conference record of 35-45, 0 NT berths, and 1 PIT berth at a B+ baseline school? After he'd already had 12 years to build a program? Let somebody else give it a try. 
6/1/2013 12:07 PM
Interesting too is that the baseline prestige is weaker now. On the lists I copied from the forums, the lowest Tennessee is supposed to go is C-, and another list says they have a B+ baseline, which I do not think is correct.

6/1/2013 12:16 PM
I think that has to do with the SEC being so weak in that world. They are B- as a conference.
7/12/2013 3:53 AM
George Washington Tark


Season Coach Overall
W-L
Home
W-L
Road
W-L
Neutral
W-L
Conf
W-L
Rank RPI SOS Prestige Notes
81 bfunk 9-18 5-9 4-8 0-1 3-13   278 272 D+  
80 bfunk 14-14 8-6 5-7 1-1 5-11   174 184 D+  
79 bfunk 12-15 6-7 6-7 0-1 5-11   200 208 D  
78 bfunk 11-17 7-8 3-8 1-1 5-11   209 155 D  
77 bfunk 6-22 3-11 2-10 1-1 1-15   273 165 D  
76 bfunk 4-23 1-12 3-10 0-1 0-16   271 138 D  
75 bfunk 0-27 0-13 0-13 0-1 0-16   308 137 D
7/12/2013 11:19 AM
That's the first firing I've seen in Tark (or in Smith or Allen) in a very long time.
7/12/2013 11:23 AM
that is ridiculous. the one firing that happens is one that probably shouldnt have happened. well, i might assume too much about that 0-27, but if that program really started in that bad of shape, the last 4 seasons have been a marked improvement - with a prestige bump. i mean, of course real life, this guy is out, and all that. but its so messed up THIS is the firing, when there are so many BCS teams in bad shape, where the sim refuses to fire anyone.
7/12/2013 11:26 AM
Yeah, I have no problem with this guy being fired, but him getting fired and so many sticking around doesn't make too much sense
7/12/2013 12:00 PM
Here's a couple examples of Big 6 coaches that survived:

Cincinnati

Season Coach Overall
W-L
Home
W-L
Road
W-L
Neutral
W-L
Conf
W-L
Rank RPI SOS Prestige Notes
81 mlatsko1 7-20 7-10 0-9 0-1 1-15   207 53 C  
80 mlatsko1 4-23 2-13 2-9 0-1 2-14   229 65 C  
79 mlatsko1 18-10 15-3 2-6 1-1 7-9   143 180 C  
78 mlatsko1 11-16 9-8 2-7 0-1 2-14   198 123 C  
77 mlatsko1 7-20 2-10 5-9 0-1 4-12   142 29 C+  
76 mlatsko1 13-14 8-8 5-5 0-1 5-11   167 112 C+  
75 mlatsko1 15-13 10-6 4-6 1-1 5-11   97 69 C+  
74 mlatsko1 8-19 4-12 4-6 0-1 3-13   166 53 C+  
73 mlatsko1 1-26 0-14 1-11 0-1 0-16   208 10 B-


St Johns (12 straight losing seasons without being fired)

Season Coach Overall
W-L
Home
W-L
Road
W-L
Neutral
W-L
Conf
W-L
Rank RPI SOS Prestige Notes
81 aubietom 11-16 10-8 1-7 0-1 2-14   151 60 C  
80 aubietom 13-14 10-8 3-5 0-1 6-10   149 84 C+  
79 aubietom 9-18 9-8 0-9 0-1 2-14   211 84 C+  
78 aubietom 19-12 13-6 5-5 1-1 7-9   95 72 B- PI (3rd Round)
77 aubietom 11-16 3-5 8-10 0-1 4-12   119 82 C  
76 aubietom 15-14 12-6 2-7 1-1 5-11   126 73 C PI (1st Round)
75 aubietom 11-16 11-7 0-8 0-1 3-13   208 115 C  
74 aubietom 9-18 7-11 2-6 0-1 4-12   222 121 C  
73 aubietom 10-17 9-9 1-7 0-1 1-15   229 124 C+  
72 aubietom 15-13 13-5 2-7 0-1 6-10   132 80 C+ PI (1st Round)
71 aubietom 14-13 3-5 11-7 0-1 4-12   109 111 C+  
70 aubietom 15-13 3-5 12-7 0-1 6-10   109 115 C+ PI (1st Round)
69 aubietom 11-16 9-8 2-7 0-1 4-12   189 96 C+  
68 aubietom 10-17 1-7 9-9 0-1 1-15   128 75 C+  
67 aubietom 9-18 2-6 7-11 0-1 2-14   102 48 C+  
66 aubietom 11-16 2-6 9-9 0-1 3-13   106 70 C+  
65 aubietom 5-22 0-8 5-13 0-1 1-15   183 56 C  
64 aubietom 5-22 0-8 5-13 0-1 0-16   177 66 C+  
63 aubietom 7-21 2-6 4-14 1-1 2-14   131 34 C+  
62 aubietom 11-16 3-5 8-10 0-1 5-11   101 58 C+  
61 aubietom 8-19 0-8 8-10 0-1 1-15   129 65 C+  
60 aubietom 6-21 1-8 5-12 0-1 0-16   168 55 C+  
59 aubietom 8-19 1-7 7-11 0-1 3-13   122 53 B-  
58 aubietom 4-23 0-8 4-14 0-1 1-15   195 67 B  
57 aubietom 16-13 7-5 8-7 1-1 6-10   74 62 B+ PI (1st Round)
7/12/2013 4:27 PM
Posted by stinenavy on 7/12/2013 3:53:00 AM (view original):
George Washington Tark


Season Coach Overall
W-L
Home
W-L
Road
W-L
Neutral
W-L
Conf
W-L
Rank RPI SOS Prestige Notes
81 bfunk 9-18 5-9 4-8 0-1 3-13   278 272 D+  
80 bfunk 14-14 8-6 5-7 1-1 5-11   174 184 D+  
79 bfunk 12-15 6-7 6-7 0-1 5-11   200 208 D  
78 bfunk 11-17 7-8 3-8 1-1 5-11   209 155 D  
77 bfunk 6-22 3-11 2-10 1-1 1-15   273 165 D  
76 bfunk 4-23 1-12 3-10 0-1 0-16   271 138 D  
75 bfunk 0-27 0-13 0-13 0-1 0-16   308 137 D
Five straight seasons of improvement, a prestige raise, then one step back and he's canned?  Seems a bit harsh when compared to some of the other resumes posted in this thread that managed to keep their jobs.
7/12/2013 4:32 PM
Perhaps bfunk was fired for other reasons - violating fair play guidelines or some such.
7/12/2013 9:18 PM
llama, i think that is not the case - its almost definitely the logic working as intended. we know that 7 straight no-post season seasons is one of the major things that can get you kicked out. that is what happened to bfunk. the problem all goes back to one of the great flaws in HD, in firings, jobs, etc - its that performance is looked at almost absolutely, WITHOUT CONTEXT. which is just going to be total ****, obviously, context is everything. the problem is 6 seasons no post season at UK or UNC wont get you fired, the 7th will (there are other ways to get fired, but thats one, and if you miss the first 7 seasons i think thats a guaranteed firing), while the 7th also will at any random **** d1 school there is. so to us, its dead obvious, from the context, that 4 PITs and no NTs in over 20 seasons at a big 6 school (with only 1 season past PIT1 - yikes!!) is worse than 7 no post season seasons when you take a pure **** school over and get still manage to get their prestige up. i mean come on. bfunk shouldnt have had the same standard, first 7 seasons no post season = fired, that UK has. he took over a simAI school in god awful shape, and improved them - i am actually against this firing, i really dont like it, because d1 is so tough now, you should give coaches more time, especially when you pick up a god awful program and get the prestige up! 

i guess i should stop rambling now. its just so ridiculous that context doesn't play a role in the discussion. context is everything. same problem exists where a big 6 coach takes over a great program, runs them into the ground, coasting to mostly NT appearances on the way down - and hes more qualified than the guy who took a total **** school, fought tooth and nail to make the NT most of the seasons, and just has a very slightly worse post season resume. one guy did something highly respectable, the other destroyed a program. i cant imagine this will get fixed though - seble's key weakness is lack of context, IMO. his "fix" to make d1 resumes over 10 seasons made some progress, but because of lack of context, i think that change was substantially flawed, as it made it even harder for low d1 coaches to move up to BCS programs.
 
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