Posted by girt25 on 4/1/2013 10:06:00 PM (view original):
Actually, the really top local guys by and large have not come to Madison. Last year Tokoto went to UNC, even going back to Jerry Smith going to Louisville, Korie Lucious to MSU. Dekker was the only recent top 50 guy they got. And Wisconsin is a much, much better program than Minnesota.
The top MN kids from MN since '07 have been Cole Aldrich (Kansas), Rodney Williams (MN) and Royce White (MN). The Badgers have gotten some nice but not elite recruits from there during the period as well (Bergren, Jordan Taylor, Leuer), and the Gophers also kept Mbakwe during that time.
The reality is that it's terribly difficult to beat an elite program for a top 50 type of recruit. I just don't think you're painting a realistic portrayal there, nor is it a very fair criticism (or a criticism that is really even really one of the main criticisms being levied by Gophers fans who support the firing).
So you proved my point? Some, not all, top-50 guys stay in state. Dekker last year and Marquette is getting two this year.
No, the Gophers didn't keep Mbakwe. He went to Marquette, tore his ACL, committed some crimes in Miami, and came back to Minnesota. But that wasn't really on Tubby.
Not being able to keep elite or second-tier recruits in state is absolutely a criticism levied against Tubby. Of course it's not the only one. In-game coaching, player development, and pretty much everything basketball-related is on that last.
And for what it's worth, even though this is playing in to your consistent mischaracterization of my argument, you're just plain wrong about it being "terribly difficult" to beat elite programs for top-50 recruits, unless we have different definitions of "elite."
From the upcoming class:
LSU signed #10 (ESPN rankings) - from LA
Arkansas signed #13 - from AR
Memphis signed #15 - from TN
Cal signed #19 - from CA
Washington signed #20 - from OR
Notre Dame signed #21 - from IN
NCSU signed #22 - from VA
Cincinnati signed #25 - from NY
Marquette signed #26 - from TN
UTEP signed #29 - from CA
BYU signed #30 - from UT
Memphis signed #31 - from CT
Memphis signed #33 - from TN
West Virginia signed #37 - from OH
South Carolina signd #39 - from SC
FSU signed #40 - from Canada
BYU signed #45 - from UT
Arkansas signed #46 - from MS
Marquette signed #49 - from WI
We can quibble over the eliteness of a couple of those teams, but many are unquestionably not elite and have little recent history of any real, sustained success. The vast majority of those recruits are staying in their home state. Why? Because for all of eternity, home teams have an advantage with most kids. Obviously that doesn't mean something to every kid wants to stay in state, or will give much weight to that, but many do.