Posted by tarvolon on 5/25/2013 12:08:00 PM (view original):
Posted by hughesjr on 5/25/2013 10:36:00 AM (view original):Who's pretending? billyg lost his team because he made no pretense. I expect oldwarrior did too
Posted by udm_mike on 5/25/2013 8:27:00 AM (view original):Is it not dishonest to own two teams within 1000 miles and pretend that you aren't? One agrees to the fair play guidelines, then takes two teams within 1000 miles. Is it not dishonest to purposefully violate the rules. Is it not defrauding other customers (and deceitful) when you gain advantage buy taking two teams within 1000 miles.
Posted by dacj501 on 5/25/2013 7:51:00 AM (view original):Straight from the webster's website -
I too believe in enforcing the rule, and I, like kujayhawk, remember that older thread and I was surprised and appalled that ow signed that kid with his D 1 team away from a conference mate of his D 2 team. That said hughesjr, I feel compelled to dispute something you've just posted.
1 Definition of CHEAT (from Merrim-Webster):
to violate rules dishonestly
I am saying that if there are rules, and if one does not follow the rules, then that (by itself, with no other action) is ... by definition, cheating.
According to the definition that you yourself lead with, one not following the rules is not (by itself, with no other action) cheating, as your definition clearly states that cheating is violating rules dishonestly. The mere act of breaking the rule is not, itself, enough if I read correctly, without establishing dishonesty...
: to deprive of something valuable by the use of deceit or fraud
: to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice
: to elude or thwart by or as if by outwitting <cheat death>
a : to practice fraud or trickery b : to violate rules dishonestly <cheat at cards> <cheating on a test>
: to be sexually unfaithful —usually used with on <wascheating on his wife>
: to position oneself defensively near a particular area in anticipation of a play in that area <the shortstop was cheating toward second base>
Thought maybe someone should post the entire definition and not hughes' version.
And is my example not one of an advantage to someone, even if trying in every way not to actually cheat, but still being collusive between the 2 teams?
beat me to it, im really not sure i could make it clearer without routinely starting threads going HEY I HAVE MULTIPLE TEAMS!!! ive had two teams within 1000 miles since i picked up my second team, never hid the fact, and nobody ever had a problem with it. actually, on the contrary, most of us got excited when someone established in another part of a world, went and picked up a second ID and joined our conference in a lower division (or something similar). it was great! we had another coach, and not just a random coach, an active, successful coach we were generally already familiar with. ive been thrilled double digit times to have a coach join my conference on an alternate ID - its really hard to pull people from their dynasty, but i spent years recruiting certain folks to join certain conferences on alts. im sure im an extreme case, but by no means an exception. how things went from that, to this, is beyond me. actually, i guess its not, its that damn simple minded 5% who SOMEHOW cant (or dont want to) see shades of grey. again. just like always. isnt it bad enough you people screwed up everything else in this country? cant you leave this stupid for-fun game alone already??
if you can actually get someone from a quality conference (the kind people generally join on 2nd IDs) of one of these guys with multiple teams, to stand up and say, i dont want them there! ill probably give up the argument. but the reality is, the people in the actual conferences, the guys who would most directly be affected (and its not even close), WANT these guys there. so whats the beef? even when issues have come up with multiple teams, you routinely see the guys in conference say, man that sucks, id MUCH MUCH rather have respected coach X than sim AI. its *not even close*. wake up people. you are living in a fantasy world within a simulated world!!