Posted by reddyred on 7/3/2013 11:41:00 AM (view original):
Posted by isack24 on 7/1/2013 12:54:00 AM (view original):Have to agree with this. Aside from the actual players if you look at the stats - Lebron clearly had little support as has pretty much been the case with his time in Cleveland - He logged in 594 more minutes (equivalent of 13 more games played) than the next best player on this roster (Or at the time thought to be the next best player judging by minutes and stats) Larry Hughes who definitely wasn't that great and Lebron scored 1,087 more points than the next best player - Larry Hughes while still maintaining the second highest FG% on the team as well as leading the team in DRB and assists by far. Based on the stats Gooden was probably the most valuable role player that season along with Ilgauskas as Hughes was pretty inefficient hitting 40% from the field. Verajao, as everyone else has conceded, should be added as a decent role player but definitely not great in this particular season.
Posted by nachopuzzle on 6/30/2013 11:30:00 PM (view original):C'mon, really?
Posted by osgonlz on 6/29/2013 1:17:00 PM (view original):I can understand the point you're trying to get at, but I would have to disagree strongly about them not building a winning organization during that time period. The team was very successful in the playoffs and lead the league in wins one of those years. For the most part, those teams had very good role players and had good depth for an nba franchise.
I'm still scratching my head why the Cavs organization and it's owner gets a pass on all this. They managed to get LJ in the draft and had him for seven seasons. In that time they failed to take advantage of having an elite player and building a winner around him. I sort of understand from a fan perspective having some sort of resentment on Lebron. But the hatred should be towards that terrible franchise.
It's funny that everyone hates the MJ comparisons, but Lebron made everyone on those teams look like legitimate NBA players when they were, in fact, useless.
Here is the roster of the '06-'07 finals teams that pretty everyone agrees had no business getting to the finals: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2007.html
Seriously, who on that team was a good role player when not playing with Lebron? Maybe Z. Maybe Gooden. Hughes wasn't good before ot after Lebron. Eric Snow about 10 years prior...maybe. That's about it, and Gooden is stretching it.
Again, I don't know why, but the 06-07 team is getting talked about like it's the only roster the Cavs have ever put together. Although, I did forget to add that Daniel Gibson was on that team and he was a very good role player (and had some outstanding playoff performances) as well.
07-08: added Delonte West, Wally Szczerbiak, and Ben Wallace
08-09: drafted J.J. Hickson and added MO WILLIAMS...a freaking All-Star.
09-10: added Antwan Jamison, Shaquille O'Neal, and Sebastian Telfar
And those are just some of the bigger named moves made by the team, no to mention how good they were at retaining these and other less known role players.