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8/7/2013 7:10 AM
Obviously the good record required to win a Conference Championship helps the prestige, but in and of itself, does anyone know if winning a conference championship, or for that matter a CT championship help prestige?
8/7/2013 7:44 AM
I wonder if it's listed in the team's history for just window dressing?  I'm guessing no...I would think it has some value
8/7/2013 8:27 AM
In the FAQ there is a bullet point list of what helps prestige.  I think it is just:

Wins
Post season games
Ranking
PLayers drafted 

But I could be wrong.
8/7/2013 9:29 AM
Posted by chapelhillne on 8/7/2013 7:10:00 AM (view original):
Obviously the good record required to win a Conference Championship helps the prestige, but in and of itself, does anyone know if winning a conference championship, or for that matter a CT championship help prestige?
We're only 3 games in to the conference schedule chap. Still a long way to go for that championship...
8/7/2013 11:46 AM
From http://www.whatifsports.com/knowledgebase/KB_Article_Details.aspx?kbid=779

 

Sub-Category
   
#779 World Information Q. What determines a school's prestige?
  A.

At a high level, prestige is a reflection of a school's recent success in all areas. It is updated at the end of each season. That update is determined differently in DI compared to DII and DIII.

An important thing to know about prestige is that the letter grade that is visible actually represents a range of numbers. So for example, a B- might cover the number range of 250-400 (these are not the actual numbers). That's important to know because prestige may be improving or decreasing within that range without the visible letter grade changing at all. And on the flip side, if the prestige number is right on the edge between two letter grades, a slight change in the number could also change the letter grade.

So, where a school's prestige falls within that range is important. The downside to this is that since you can only see the letter grade, you may not see any evidence of a change, when in fact there could have been a relatively significant change taking place. Rest assured that even if you can't see a change in the letter grade, the number is changing appropriately. And most importantly, the number (not the letter grade) is what we actually use in the game to affect recruiting and other things.

In DII and DIII, prestige is updated at the end of each season based on the following items:

  • Current prestige
  • Team winning percentage
  • Strength of schedule (SOS)
  • Postseason bids/wins (National Tournament worth more than PIT)

 

In DI, prestige updates work a little differently. We look at the past 4 seasons and put a different weighting on each season. Basically, the further back the season is, the less weight it gets, and the less impact it has on the current prestige. Each season's success is based on the following items:

  • RPI Rank
  • WIS rank (the system used for the Top 25 rankings)
  • Whether the team was conference champion
  • Whether the team made the PIT
  • PIT wins
  • Whether the team made the National Tournament
  • National Tournament wins
  • Whether the team won the National Championship
All of that success is compiled and weighted and factored in along with the following items to come up with the school's new prestige.
  • Current prestige
  • The school's traditional power (does not change)
  • Success of the school's conference relative to the average in the world
  • Success of the school (as described above) relative to the average in the world

 

Also, if a school has one or more players drafted, that will give an additional boost to prestige. The amount depends on the number of players drafted and where they were picked. The higher the pick, the bigger the boost. This change won't be seen until the draft is completed and is not reflected in the prestige that you see in your team history page on the team profile page.

A couple of important notes about prestige:

  • It's tempting to compare prestige between schools, but that can be difficult and misleading due to all the factors that are involved.
  • As noted above, just because the letter grade you see doesn't change, that does not mean your prestige didn't improve. It just wasn't enough to move to the next letter grade.
  • There are times where a school's prestige may drop even though they had a good season. That is normally caused by other successful seasons becoming older, and thus weighted less in the past 4 season success calculation. Or it can be caused by a weak conference.
  • One or two average to poor seasons in that 4-season window can have a significant effect on prestige, so they can't be overlooked.
  •  
8/7/2013 2:06 PM
no because you can win a CC and have a crazy rpi at 10-6. Winning the CT helps your prestige because youmfo to the NT. just a quick observation.
8/9/2013 8:48 AM
Posted by scottyj74 on 8/7/2013 9:29:00 AM (view original):
Posted by chapelhillne on 8/7/2013 7:10:00 AM (view original):
Obviously the good record required to win a Conference Championship helps the prestige, but in and of itself, does anyone know if winning a conference championship, or for that matter a CT championship help prestige?
We're only 3 games in to the conference schedule chap. Still a long way to go for that championship...
Yeah - I am actually wondering about my Fordham team. The possibility of a conference championship has pretty much slipped away since I made that post, and even making the PI is starting to look very questionable unless we turn it around. I have a super young team, with only 3 upperclassmen including only one senior, and I am hoping I can at least keep the C prestige for next season and hopefully build on that over the next 3 years.
8/9/2013 8:54 AM
Posted by zbrent716 on 8/7/2013 11:46:00 AM (view original):
From http://www.whatifsports.com/knowledgebase/KB_Article_Details.aspx?kbid=779

 

Sub-Category
   
#779 World Information Q. What determines a school's prestige?
  A.

At a high level, prestige is a reflection of a school's recent success in all areas. It is updated at the end of each season. That update is determined differently in DI compared to DII and DIII.

An important thing to know about prestige is that the letter grade that is visible actually represents a range of numbers. So for example, a B- might cover the number range of 250-400 (these are not the actual numbers). That's important to know because prestige may be improving or decreasing within that range without the visible letter grade changing at all. And on the flip side, if the prestige number is right on the edge between two letter grades, a slight change in the number could also change the letter grade.

So, where a school's prestige falls within that range is important. The downside to this is that since you can only see the letter grade, you may not see any evidence of a change, when in fact there could have been a relatively significant change taking place. Rest assured that even if you can't see a change in the letter grade, the number is changing appropriately. And most importantly, the number (not the letter grade) is what we actually use in the game to affect recruiting and other things.

In DII and DIII, prestige is updated at the end of each season based on the following items:

  • Current prestige
  • Team winning percentage
  • Strength of schedule (SOS)
  • Postseason bids/wins (National Tournament worth more than PIT)

 

In DI, prestige updates work a little differently. We look at the past 4 seasons and put a different weighting on each season. Basically, the further back the season is, the less weight it gets, and the less impact it has on the current prestige. Each season's success is based on the following items:

  • RPI Rank
  • WIS rank (the system used for the Top 25 rankings)
  • Whether the team was conference champion
  • Whether the team made the PIT
  • PIT wins
  • Whether the team made the National Tournament
  • National Tournament wins
  • Whether the team won the National Championship
All of that success is compiled and weighted and factored in along with the following items to come up with the school's new prestige.
  • Current prestige
  • The school's traditional power (does not change)
  • Success of the school's conference relative to the average in the world
  • Success of the school (as described above) relative to the average in the world

 

Also, if a school has one or more players drafted, that will give an additional boost to prestige. The amount depends on the number of players drafted and where they were picked. The higher the pick, the bigger the boost. This change won't be seen until the draft is completed and is not reflected in the prestige that you see in your team history page on the team profile page.

A couple of important notes about prestige:

  • It's tempting to compare prestige between schools, but that can be difficult and misleading due to all the factors that are involved.
  • As noted above, just because the letter grade you see doesn't change, that does not mean your prestige didn't improve. It just wasn't enough to move to the next letter grade.
  • There are times where a school's prestige may drop even though they had a good season. That is normally caused by other successful seasons becoming older, and thus weighted less in the past 4 season success calculation. Or it can be caused by a weak conference.
  • One or two average to poor seasons in that 4-season window can have a significant effect on prestige, so they can't be overlooked.
  •  
Thanks for posting this. Very good information. With my Fordham team in Phelan I can see why my prestige went from a C- to a C without even making the PI. I had a good winning percentage and the Ivy League has become a lot stronger, plus one of my old lousy seasons disappeared from the last 4 years. The Ivy League is even stronger this year, so hopefully I can at least stay at a C.
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