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12/12/2013 4:18 PM
I'm trying to better understand turnovers and why the occur, and am looking at a spreadsheet for my D1 team which tracks turnovers per minute played.  Not surprisingly my PG and backup PG lead the way with the highest rates (0.1 and 0.09 TO/min respectively), which I guess can be expected due to the nature of the position.  My starting SG (0.075 TO/min) and SF (0.077 TO/min) have lower turnover rates, despite lower BH/P ratings.

I guess my question is, how much higher turnover rate do you tolerate at the PG position, just due to the nature of the beast?  My starting PG averaged 2.5 TO/Game this season, which seemed pretty reasonable to be.  What would this translate to if the player were started at SG instead of PG?
12/12/2013 6:01 PM (edited)
I like the natural PG, with excellent passing, ball handling skills and speed. I've noticed when I set my PG distro to 0, they tend to get much fewer turnovers. However, you have an excellent scoring PG with an excellent field goal percentage for a perimeter player. When a PG plays the role of ball handler, passer and shooter, the turnovers are going to be high. Also, his BH/pass skills are well below average for a D-1 PG. Now that I'm looking at it again, I'm actually surprised his TO rate isn't higher. Having a high IQ is definitely helping.

Also, I've noticed you have your SF playing PG, not sure if the position penalty is still in effect.

12/12/2013 6:46 PM
Do you pgs shoot? Turnovers are created by fga's.
12/12/2013 8:33 PM
Posted by Trentonjoe on 12/12/2013 6:46:00 PM (view original):
Do you pgs shoot? Turnovers are created by fga's.
Yeah about 9 shots per game.  I never thought about more FGA causing more TO's, but that makes sense.

Is it true that playing your best 3 point shooter at SG will help their shooting?  With the logic being that more plays are set up and run for a SG than a PG?

12/13/2013 12:00 AM
Posted by Trentonjoe on 12/12/2013 6:46:00 PM (view original):
Do you pgs shoot? Turnovers are created by fga's.
I think that there are more turnovers at PG independently of shots as well.  Turnovers are something like:  

TO = a*FGA + b

And at least one of "a" or "b" (if not both) is higher for PG and slightly lower for each position up through C.  
12/13/2013 4:57 AM
ThAt sounds about right. I think there are two times in the event tree that can yield a turnover. The first is early, something like "do they turn the ball over or take a shot", I think that is team based. The second is after a specific player has been chosen to take the shot. Turnover has to be in that outcome list as well.
12/13/2013 4:57 AM
Posted by clouseb on 12/12/2013 8:33:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Trentonjoe on 12/12/2013 6:46:00 PM (view original):
Do you pgs shoot? Turnovers are created by fga's.
Yeah about 9 shots per game.  I never thought about more FGA causing more TO's, but that makes sense.

Is it true that playing your best 3 point shooter at SG will help their shooting?  With the logic being that more plays are set up and run for a SG than a PG?

No.
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