I recruited this player with my DIII Worcester team. He was very tight with a DII SimAi team. So apparently this is how much effort it takes to win this battle. How much effort do you think it would take to a player from a SimAi team from within the same division with the very tight message? Roughly 2/3 the effort I put in? That is my completely uneducated guess.

I submitted a ticket asking if there was a delay in some credit from the morning cycles to the afternoon cycles. I think the human vs sim considering credit could help explain what happened. I was on the guys list before the initial 24 hrs was up

Update on the ticket I sent in. The response stated that the last time I put effort into the recruit was at 5:42 in the morning, although I thought it was after 8:00, and that I got a bonus for offering promises early (it was the morning of signings). This doesn't explain that I didn't receive the scholarship update until 5:00 pm, though or the updates On the WOTS.

I updated the ticket and asked it be forwarded to Seble for review

do you have the actual scholarship messages you received? i think there might be something there you took as behind when you were ahead. specifically i think that 2am one. 

also im pretty sure you wasted that 2nd set of evaluation visits. i don't believe, although i could be wrong, that you can send a HV or CV and get it accepted on the basis of lower end efforts sent that cycle. so, i think if you sent the 10 evals then 1 hv the next cycle, it still would have been accepted, allowing you to spend the money for those 5 SVs more efficiently.

I wonder if you got credit for all the promised minutes.   It shouldn't work that way but it seems to me you won a little too easy.   If you got credit for the 15, 20 and 25 (instead of just the 25) it's more in line with what I would expect.

Posted by milwood on 2/15/2014 9:37:00 AM (view original):
I also wanted to see where the point the player would accept minutes. Is it once you're considered? Once you've made it close? Only when you're leading? I guess you have to have it fairly close before a player will accept minutes

It looks like your minutes got excepted before you were leading.

I'll send the two messages I received. I compared hem to the scholarship message thread so it is possible I had the info wrong. But my main concern is the time it took between messages. My last effort was at 5:42 am and I got an updated message at 5:00 pm

From: Randy Rogers
To: Coach milwood
Subject: re: Randy Rogers Scholarship

Sent: 02/12/2014 11:00PM

Coach, thanks again for the scholarship offer - I really like your program, but I have to tell you, I may still have some other options that I want to check out yet.

Randy Rogers

And then......


From: Randy Rogers
To: Coach milwood
Subject: Randy Rogers Scholarship Offer

Sent: 02/13/2014 5:00PM

Coach, I really appreciate you having enough faith in me to extend me a scholarship offer this early. That means a lot to me and unless something changes between now and the signing period, you've got yourself a player.

Randy Rogers

Manual Foster Scholarship Randy Rogers 2/14/14 11:00 am
Randy Rogers Randy Rogers Scholarship Offer Randy Rogers 2/13/14 5:00 pm
Randy Rogers Quick update Randy Rogers 2/13/14 8:00 am
Randy Rogers Letter & Packet Randy Rogers 2/13/14 8:00 am
Randy Rogers Visit Randy Rogers 2/13/14 2:00 am
Randy Rogers Thanks... Randy Rogers 2/13/14 2:00 am
Randy Rogers re: Randy Rogers Scholarship Randy Rogers 2/12/14 11:00 pm
Randy Rogers Visiting with my family and I Randy Rogers 2/12/14 11:00 pm
Randy Rogers Stopping by to see me Randy Rogers 2/12/14 8:00 pm
Randy Rogers Randy Rogers Scholarship Randy Rogers 2/12/14 5:00 pm
Randy Rogers Home Visit Randy Rogers 2/12/14 5:00 pm
Randy Rogers Visiting my home... Randy Rogers 2/12/14 5:00 pm
Randy Rogers Hey Randy Rogers 2/12/14 5:00 pm
Randy Rogers Trip to see me and my family Randy Rogers 2/12/14 2:00 pm
Randy Rogers touching base Randy Rogers 2/12/14 2:00 pm
David Nettles quick update... Randy Rogers 2/12/14 2:00 pm
Randy Rogers Trip to see me and my family Randy Rogers 2/12/14 11:00 am
Randy Rogers Following Up... Randy Rogers 2/12/14 11:00 am
Randy Rogers Your home visit Randy Rogers 2/12/14 5:00 am
Randy Rogers touching base Randy Rogers 2/12/14 5:00 am
Randy Rogers Visiting my home... Randy Rogers 2/12/14 2:00 am
Randy Rogers Following Up Randy Rogers 2/12/14 2:00 am
Randy Rogers Trip to see me and my family Randy Rogers 2/11/14 11:00 pm
David Nettles Randy Rogers evaluation notes Randy Rogers 2/11/14 11:00 pm
David Nettles Randy Rogers analysis Randy Rogers 2/11/14 11:00 pm
David Nettles Randy Rogers evaluation Randy Rogers 2/11/14 11:00 pm
David Nettles Randy Rogers evaluation Randy Rogers 2/11/14 11:00 pm
David Nettles Randy Rogers analysis Randy Rogers 2/11/14 11:00 pm
Randy Rogers Getting back to you Randy Rogers 2/11/14 11:00 pm
Randy Rogers Randy Rogers Scholarship Offer Randy Rogers 2/11/14 8:01 pm
Randy Rogers Visit to see me Randy Rogers 2/11/14 8:00 pm
David Nettles Randy Rogers evaluation notes Randy Rogers 2/11/14 8:00 pm
David Nettles Back from evaluating Randy Rogers Randy Rogers 2/11/14 8:00 pm
David Nettles Randy Rogers evaluation Randy Rogers 2/11/14 8:00 pm
David Nettles Evaluation of Randy Rogers Randy Rogers 2/11/14 8:00 pm
David Nettles Randy Rogers evaluation Randy Rogers 2/11/14 8:00 pm
David Nettles Randy Rogers Randy Rogers 2/11/14 8:00 pm
David Nettles Randy Rogers trip Randy Rogers 2/11/14 8:00 pm
David Nettles Back from evaluating Randy Rogers Randy Rogers 2/11/14 8:00 pm
David Nettles Randy Rogers analysis Randy Rogers 2/11/14 8:00 pm
David Nettles Evaluation of Randy Rogers Randy Rogers 2/11/14 8:00 pm
Joe Anthony Touching Base... Randy Rogers 2/11/14 8:00 pm

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These are all the email responses I received from he recruit. I got a quick update at 8:00 am and then e next email was the scholarship update at 5:00 pm

Shhhhh. Don't tell everyone about this!

this doesn't really make any sense. not sure what to tell you. with that 2am showing behind WOTS and so little effort before being ahead on the WOTS 24 hours later, i don't know. there have been cases where players mysteriously lost recruits to sims despite being ahead on those players, but this is the first i've heard of mysteriously winning. 

edit: Randy Rogers Visit Randy Rogers 2/13/14 2:00 am 
i dont see that in your description, do you know what that was?

if the 2am still showed behind that wouldn't really factor in but it is since the 11pm scholarship message you pasted here

I've had cases where in one WOTS "he's struggling" between me and a SIM, then 1 or 2 WOTS descriptions later the kid is "definitely leaning to me" or "very tight" with me.  I found this was pretty strange given I didn't put any more effort into the kid since it was a SIM I was battling.  So this is why I conclude that somehow a human's considering credit >> a SIM's considering credit. 

(Note:  My experience was at D1 btw.)

The 2:00 am visit was the last home visit I could afford. I didn't mean to leave that out, but you're right I don't think it makes a difference in this situation.

I think the human considering credit being greater than sim credit is the most logical explanation unless there was an error in the sim somewhere. I'm waiting on a response from the ticket