Naismith and Tark Big Board and EE Chart Topic

Those in Bold are SR's, those in Green are early entries. In Tark there were two players not on the big board that left, I stated in an earlier thread I thought that would never happen, but I didn't take into account that they try and take a fair number from each position. So in Tark there weren't enough good SG caliber players, so they took a pair of guys that probably just missed being in the Top 100.
5/28/2014 3:30 PM

Naismith                      
Draft Big Board Drafted Name Year Pos Height Weight School Recruited By OVR Outlook  
1 1st Joseph Fischer So. PF 6'9" 216 Illinois lwbraun 960 Likely going 2nd Round
2 2nd Joseph Musick Jr. SF 6'6" 221 Stanford easona 971 Likely going PI Champion
3 4th Justin Hayter Jr. PG 6'2" 178 Arkansas knappj 929 Likely going 1st Round
4 7th Jasper Flowers Jr. SG 6'3" 197 St. Johns sir_slamalot 929 Likely going 2nd Round
5 3rd Brian Thompson Jr. SF 6'4" 191 Mississippi robinhood410 922 Likely going NT Champion
6 13th Timothy Dye Jr. C 6'8" 224 Louisville mykids_31206 939 Likely going No postseason
7 10th Micheal Vaughn So. SF 6'4" 199 Florida Chew64 956 Likely going Sweet 16
8 5th Marvin Moore So. PF 6'5" 203 Mississippi robinhood410 878 Likely going NT Champion
9 11th Joseph Hubbard Sr. PF 6'10" 220 Texas johnsensing 944 Graduating  
10   Robert Newman Jr. PG 6'1" 183 Louisiana St. namshub 957 Likely going  
11 12th Napoleon Rogers Jr. C 6'11" 241 Michigan St. starrider19 920 Likely going 2nd Round
12 6th Dexter Correia Jr. SF 6'2" 192 Kansas gchuck 958 Likely going 2nd Round
13 8th Ramon Herrera So. SF 6'9" 216 Georgia Tech cburton23 968 Likely going Final Four
14 15th Denis Dilworth Sr. PF 6'8" 209 Louisiana St. namshub 900 Graduating  
15 14th Clifford Malbon Jr. C 6'6" 227 Wisconsin toysboys 941 Likely going Elite 8
16 17th Mark Goodson Sr. PF 6'5" 202 St. Johns sir_slamalot 907 Graduating  
17 16th Ronald Clifton Fr. PF 6'9" 234 Texas johnsensing 878 On the fence Elite 8
18   James Walker So. SF 6'4" 191 Texas johnsensing 913 On the fence  
19 18th Anthony Bowen So. PF 6'8" 220 Stanford easona 922 On the fence PI Champion
20   Kevin Vincent So. PF 6'6" 194 Oregon grantduck 930 On the fence  
21 9th Quentin Coward Sr. PF 6'7" 232 Duke utahjazz88 915 Graduating  
22   Nelson Grabill Jr. PF 6'9" 210 Michigan vincent@dins 929 Likely going  
23 22nd Eric Golinski Sr. PG 5'10" 181 N. Carolina St. cornfused 826 Graduating  
24 19th Robert Bailey Sr. C 6'11" 231 Syracuse oldresorter 917 Graduating  
25 21st Nathan Partain So. SF 6'6" 206 Colorado stewdog 886 On the fence Sweet 16
26 20th James Nicoll Sr. PF 6'8" 210 Alabama jbob23 942 Graduating  
27   Jerry Smith Fr. SF 6'6" 200 Louisiana St. namshub 891 Likely staying  
28   Santos Luna Jr. PG 6'1" 177 Miami (FL) jarvisb 839 On the fence  
29   Sidney Pimentel Jr. C 6'7" 204 Mississippi robinhood410 936 On the fence  
30 25th Robert Roberts So. PG 6'1" 183 Colorado stewdog 858 Likely staying Sweet 16
31 29th Robert Mitchell So. C 6'10" 239 Oregon grantduck 846 Likely staying 1st Round
32 34th Harry Windham Sr. PG 5'11" 176 UNC kimball 951 Graduating  
33 23rd Anthony Ogden Jr. PG 5'10" 181 Georgia Tech cburton23 873 On the fence Final Four
34   Antonio Allen So. PF 6'4" 202 Illinois lwbraun 926 Likely staying  
35   Michael Cobb Jr. PF 6'8" 215 Kansas gchuck 850 On the fence  
36 26th Victor Sturdevant Jr. SF 6'6" 214 Michigan vincent@dins 875 On the fence 2nd Round
37   Dean Davis So. C 6'11" 232 Mississippi robinhood410 912 Likely staying  
38 31st Charles Stolp Sr. C 6'10" 236 Oregon grantduck 897 Graduating  
39   Gordon Bradley So. PG 6'3" 204 St. Johns sir_slamalot 828 Likely staying  
40 24th Carl Treece Jr. SG 6'0" 173 Colorado stewdog 961 On the fence Sweet 16
41 30th Linwood Graber Jr. PF 6'8" 207 Texas A&M muskies85 891 On the fence 1st Round
42   Stephen McClain Jr. C 6'8" 233 Louisiana St. namshub 945 On the fence  
43 28th Robert Beer So. PG 6'0" 188 Maryland fd343ny 865 Likely staying Final Four
44   Joshua Underhill Jr. PG 6'0" 181 Syracuse oldresorter 891 On the fence  
45   Dennis Mills Jr. SF 6'7" 215 Pittsburgh armst24 907 On the fence  
46 41st Victor Straker Sr. PF 6'7" 219 Oregon St. jfribush 924 Graduating  
47 32nd Paul Sullivan Sr. SF 6'8" 225 Kentucky fat_bing 921 Graduating  
48   Caleb McMackin So. PF 6'6" 204 Syracuse oldresorter 905 Likely staying  
49 42nd William Fletcher Sr. PG 6'2" 198 Clemson meany27 860 Graduating  
50 38th Robert Moyes Jr. PF 6'11" 243 Illinois lwbraun 879 On the fence 2nd Round
51 33rd Richard Wright Sr. SF 6'1" 193 St. Johns sir_slamalot 892 Graduating  
52 48th Billy Snyder Sr. SF 6'3" 204 Rutgers jarvisb 864 Graduating  
53 35th Bernard Brode Sr. SF 6'8" 224 Cincinnati garwood34 943 Graduating  
54 37th Francis Root Jr. PG 6'0" 181 Connecticut ojinga 885 On the fence 2nd Round
55   Jeremy Brummitt Jr. SF 6'4" 211 Duke utahjazz88 910 On the fence  
56   David Grimm So. PF 6'9" 237 St. Johns sir_slamalot 841 Likely staying  
57 44th Michael Brown Sr. PF 6'8" 208 Michigan St. starrider19 870 Graduating  
58 39th Robert Dye Sr. SF 6'6" 205 Florida Chew64 843 Graduating  
59   Robert Doyle So. PF 6'6" 212 Texas johnsensing 890 Likely staying  
60 36th Ralph Ellis Sr. PG 5'11" 178 Texas Tech npscook 800 Graduating  
61   Neil Marinello So. C 6'11" 254 Miami (FL) jarvisb 865 Likely staying  
62   Bruce Williams Jr. PF 6'6" 205 Clemson meany27 852 On the fence  
63 49th Rod Myers So. SF 6'3" 206 Connecticut ojinga 847 Likely staying 2nd Round
64   Carl Petty Jr. SF 6'5" 213 UNC kimball 851 On the fence  
65 47th Dmitry Murzynski Sr. PG 6'0" 188 Texas johnsensing 828 Graduating  
66   Johnathon Kreger Jr. PF 6'8" 224 Duke utahjazz88 909 On the fence  
67 45th Ivan Coleman Sr. PG 5'10" 162 Arizona St. tigerdad 903 Graduating  
68 43rd Bruce Hudson Sr. SF 6'7" 228 Georgia Tech cburton23 905 Graduating  
69   Adam Smith Fr. SF 6'7" 204 Arizona kdforester 862 Staying  
70 40th Darrell Ewen Sr. SG 6'8" 229 Duke utahjazz88 943 Graduating  
71   John Spadaro So. PG 6'3" 210 Arizona kdforester 894 Likely staying  
72   Roy Northrop So. C 6'10" 251 Mississippi robinhood410 882 Likely staying  
73 46th Joseph Tran Sr. SG 6'0" 175 Duke utahjazz88 847 Graduating  
74 27th Kenton Kinlaw Sr. PG 5'11" 166 Oregon grantduck 906 Graduating  
75   Lucas Thomas Jr. PG 6'2" 182 Illinois lwbraun 845 On the fence  
76   Robert Check Jr. SG 6'2" 188 Cal jamesny27 928 On the fence  
77   Samuel Clark Fr. C 6'8" 233 Texas johnsensing 813 Staying  
78   Thomas Ancheta Fr. PF 6'8" 239 Colorado stewdog 851 Staying  
79   Randall Seal Sr. PF 6'8" 236 Florida Chew64 917 On the fence  
80 52nd Charles Moore So. C 6'11" 255 Louisiana St. namshub 871 Likely staying 2nd Round
81   Richard Walker Jr. SF 6'3" 193 Maryland fd343ny 852 On the fence  
82   Kevin Baker Fr. PF 6'6" 199 Cal jamesny27 810 Staying  
83 50th Anthony Hicks Jr. C 6'11" 242 Georgia Tech cburton23 823 On the fence Final Four
84 59th Curtis Pease So. PG 6'2" 198 Rutgers meany27 867 Likely staying PI First Round
85   Patrick Piland So. SG 5'11" 174 St. Johns sir_slamalot 880 Likely staying  
86   Alex Newhall So. PF 6'9" 236 Texas johnsensing 953 Likely staying  
87 53rd Joseph Richardson Sr. SG 6'0" 184 Indiana illini326 854 Graduating  
88   Charles Vaillancourt So. C 7'0" 256 Kansas gchuck 835 Likely staying  
89   Clifton Moore So. C 6'8" 229 Maryland fd343ny 864 Likely staying  
90 56th Kenneth Heger Jr. PG 5'10" 158 Illinois lwbraun 871 On the fence 2nd Round
91   Joshua Gaynor Sr. C 6'7" 203 Iowa bhbum 865 Graduating  
92   Daniel Carey So. SG 6'4" 204 UCLA mmt0315 857 Likely staying  
93 54th Abram Hubler Jr. SF 6'5" 198 Kansas gchuck 864 On the fence 2nd Round
94 58th Monte Lange Sr. PF 6'6" 224 USC beefpac 825 Graduating  
95   Clyde Duron Jr. C 6'11" 233 Utah jskenner 865 On the fence  
96 57th Kim Hull Sr. PG 6'1" 178 Cincinnati garwood34 867 Graduating  
97   Gerardo Rosario Fr. SF 6'4" 189 Texas johnsensing 826 Staying  
98 55th John Morrison Sr. C 6'10" 233 Pittsburgh armst24 846 Graduating  
99   Chris Shulman So. PF 6'8" 213 Wake Forest grecianfox 844 Likely staying  
100   Paul Powell Jr. SG 6'1" 174 Duke utahjazz88 820 On the fence  
                       
  51st John Shabazz SR C     Cornell        
  60th Sam Snell SR PG     Florida        

6/1/2014 7:27 PM (edited)
Tark                      
Draft Big Board Drafted Name Year Pos Height Weight School Recruited By OVR Outlook  
1 1st Daryl Lebel Jr. PF 6'9" 216 Louisiana St. bow2dacowz 1013 Likely going No Postseason
2 6th Danny Vera Jr. PF 6'8" 224 Boston College sjcpanther 977 Likely going No Postseason
3 2nd Donald Rittenhouse Jr. PG 6'0" 188 Michigan St. sublightd 916 Likely going 2nd Round
4 3rd Roy Stroud Sr. PF 6'7" 222 UNC kmasonbx 967 Graduating  
5 7th Lonnie Stephenson Jr. SF 6'4" 209 Florida Meatstacks 894 Likely going 1st Round
6 8th Randy Manzella So. C 6'10" 221 UNC johnsensing 869 Likely going Elite 8
7 9th Joseph Pickett So. PF 6'6" 204 Stanford grecianfox 948 Likely going 2nd Round
8 15th Roy Ivory Jr. SG 6'4" 199 Texas jjmurphy1127 951 Likely going PI 2nd Round
9 4th Kasey Johnson Jr. PG 6'0" 180 Oklahoma justinlee_24 875 Likely going Elite 8
10 13th Joe Glenn Sr. PG 6'0" 179 Virginia sh0wtime99 890 Graduating  
11 5th Robert Liptak Jr. C 6'9" 231 Illinois knappj 947 Likely going 2nd Round
12 16th Matthew Peebles Jr. C 6'7" 222 Ohio St. pcclark59 907 Likely going  
13 10th John Quinlan Sr. PG 5'11" 165 Syracuse jbasnight 826 Graduating  
14 17th David Lagrange Jr. SG 6'2" 187 W. Virginia johnsensing 959 Likely going Sweet 16
15 12th Jay Tolliver Jr. PG 5'8" 164 Duke joehof 877 Likely going Final Four
16 19th Omar Louis Jr. C 6'10" 247 Kentucky Storm69 904 Likely going 2nd Round
17   Mathew Harry Jr. SG 6'3" 194 Georgia giles21 910 Likely going  
18 18th Francisco Perez Sr. SF 6'2" 203 Florida St. ARomano 882 Graduating  
19   Henry Parks So. C 6'11" 241 Virginia sh0wtime99 927 On the fence  
20 14th Robert Soderlund Sr. PG 6'0" 183 Maryland fd343ny 850 Graduating  
21 20th Todd Fluharty Sr. SF 6'7" 206 W. Virginia johnsensing 939 Graduating  
22 23rd Samuel Foster Jr. SF 6'8" 240 Minnesota jwilli7122 947 Likely going 2nd Round
23   Aaron Lantz Jr. SF 6'6" 210 Boston College sjcpanther 968 Likely going  
24 22nd Donald Cooper Sr. SG 6'0" 180 Oklahoma justinlee_24 893 Graduating  
25 27th Lawrence Coffee Sr. PF 6'7" 222 Stanford grecianfox 909 Graduating  
26 21st Derek Morris Jr. SG 6'3" 188 Maryland fd343ny 896 Likely going NT Champion
27 28th Paul Hayse Sr/5 C 6'8" 234 Ohio St. pcclark59 897 Graduating  
28 25th Matthew Turner So. PF 6'5" 222 Oklahoma justinlee_24 908 Likely staying Elite 8
29 11th Harold Peyton Sr. SG 6'4" 198 Mississippi wedcrasher 974 Graduating  
30 31st Shelby Estep Sr. PF 6'9" 216 Kentucky Storm69 898 Graduating  
31 24th Thomas Stewart Jr. SF 6'5" 221 Syracuse jbasnight 898 On the fence Final Four
32   James Johnson Jr. PG 6'3" 186 Wisconsin bucky0012 886 On the fence  
33   Dwayne Low So. C 6'8" 218 Minnesota jwilli7122 916 Likely staying  
34   Andrew Abel Jr. PG 6'0" 183 Washington St. blapo21 899 On the fence  
35 29th John Lennox Sr. SF 6'7" 208 Syracuse jbasnight 956 Graduating  
36   Henry Wilson Jr. PF 6'9" 217 Arizona mamidu 894 On the fence  
37   John Jackson Fr. C 6'10" 227 Miami (FL) kimball 837 Staying  
38 34th John Holman Jr. PG 6'1" 183 Stanford grecianfox 842 On the fence 2nd Round
39 32nd John Henderson Sr. C 6'10" 236 Arizona mamidu 885 Graduating  
40   James Canady So. PF 6'5" 218 Connecticut oldresorter 888 Likely staying  
41   Jesse Jones So. PF 6'8" 236 Kansas gillispie1 921 Likely staying  
42   Mason Bailey Jr. C 6'9" 233 UNC johnsensing 808 On the fence  
43   Robert Flowers Jr. SG 6'2" 195 Colorado drsnell 944 On the fence  
44   Victor Chapman So. C 6'11" 226 Duke joehof 822 Likely staying  
45 26th Willie Billings So. SF 6'4" 204 Memphis tianyi7886 924 Likely staying 2nd Round
46   James Campana So. PG 5'9" 172 Connecticut oldresorter 837 Likely staying  
47 35th Henry Magnusson Jr. C 6'10" 237 Washington St. blapo21 862 On the fence Sweet 16
48   John Morrison So. SF 6'3" 189 Baylor goodtymes31 897 Likely staying  
49   Derrick Galbraith Jr. SF 6'4" 190 Washington St. blapo21 810 On the fence  
50 36th Robert Bassett Sr. SF 6'7" 222 Virginia sh0wtime99 916 Graduating  
51   Ted Hughes So. C 6'9" 240 Mississippi St. drejday 879 Likely staying  
52 33rd Rory Bustamante Jr. PG 6'0" 172 Illinois knappj 933 On the fence 2nd Round
53 38th Edwin Ratliff Sr. SF 6'8" 226 Florida Meatstacks 901 Graduating  
54 37th Justin Shaver Sr. PG 6'0" 173 Kentucky Storm69 854 Graduating  
55 49th Billy Cary Sr. C 6'10" 222 St. Johns milkamania 842 Graduating  
56   Clifford Bates Jr. SF 6'4" 191 Colorado drsnell 915 On the fence  
57   Casimir Lesneski Jr. PG 6'3" 199 Maryland fd343ny 916 On the fence  
58 40th James Carson Jr. SF 6'6" 225 Stanford grecianfox 878 On the fence 2nd Round
59   Donald Tilson So. C 7'0" 237 Oklahoma justinlee_24 843 Likely staying  
60   Olin Olewinski Fr. C 6'9" 236 Virginia sh0wtime99 841 Staying  
61 39th Jessie Barnett Sr. PF 6'4" 197 Northwestern majresorter 903 Graduating  
62 41st Roy Han Jr. PG 5'11" 176 Georgia Tech smorse40 834 On the fence 2nd Round
63   Olin Kaczmarski Jr. PF 6'9" 230 Iowa St. nickjyd 864 On the fence  
64 42nd John Stone Jr. PF 6'4" 200 Stanford grecianfox 869 On the fence 2nd Round
65   Toni Zwingman So. PG 5'11" 186 Miami (FL) kimball 828 Likely staying  
66   Jacob Morgan Jr. SG 5'11" 178 UCLA acn24 844 On the fence  
67 45th Robert Follansbee Sr. SG 6'5" 202 Michigan St. sublightd 963 Graduating  
68 44th Robert Saterfiel Sr. SF 6'2" 187 Vanderbilt chapelhillne 917 Graduating  
69   William Kleinschmidt So. PG 5'10" 163 Mississippi wedcrasher 826 Likely staying  
70   Willis Bustamante So. PF 6'6" 228 Minnesota jwilli7122 862 Likely staying  
71   James Wooten So. SG 6'3" 184 Kansas gillispie1 848 Likely staying  
72   Andrew Rutherford So. PG 5'9" 172 Miami (FL) kimball 826 Likely staying  
73 53rd Robert Borror Sr. SF 6'2" 182 Wisconsin bucky0012 894 Graduating  
74   James Wells So. SG 6'4" 195 Virginia sh0wtime99 888 Likely staying  
75 48th Ray Hurlbut Sr. SG 6'1" 176 Connecticut oldresorter 899 Graduating  
76 30th Cornelius Jones Jr. PG 6'1" 185 Memphis tianyi7886 869 On the fence 2nd Round
77 43rd Herman Hird Jr. C 6'6" 212 Kansas gillispie1 832 On the fence NT Runner Up
78 46th Richard Fyfe Sr. PG 6'1" 192 Duke joehof 836 Graduating  
79   Robert Ennis Sr. PG 6'1" 190 St. Johns milkamania 781 Graduating  
80   Fernando Lara So. PF 6'6" 199 UCLA acn24 841 Likely staying  
81   Wesley Coppinger So. SF 6'3" 189 UCLA acn24 850 Likely staying  
82   Benjamin Hile Sr. C 6'10" 222 Kentucky Storm69 812 On the fence  
83   Herbert Strawn So. PG 6'2" 176 Illinois knappj 801 Likely staying  
84   Jeffrey Boudreau So. SG 6'3" 191 Ohio St. pcclark59 821 Likely staying  
85 52nd Victor Richardson Sr. SG 5'11" 185 W. Virginia johnsensing 790 Graduating  
86   James Lanier Jr. PF 6'8" 234 Kansas gillispie1 854 On the fence  
87 50th Billie Lebouef Jr. SF 6'5" 212 Arizona mamidu 799 On the fence Sweet 16
88 51st Edgar Conley Jr. PG 6'0" 185 Colorado drsnell 843 On the fence Sweet 16
89   Frank Barrett So. PG 6'2" 195 Washington St. blapo21 771 Likely staying  
90   Eric Michaelson Jr. SG 5'11" 186 Oklahoma justinlee_24 852 On the fence  
91   Chad Derosa So. SF 6'7" 228 Illinois knappj 846 Likely staying  
92   Billy Washington Jr. C 6'11" 258 Georgia giles21 844 On the fence  
93   John Gioia So. PF 6'8" 210 Texas A&M   850 Likely staying  
94 47th Kevin Hildebrant Sr. PG 5'11" 168 Kansas gillispie1 853 Graduating  
95 56th Alfred Hunter Sr. SF 6'5" 222 Connecticut oldresorter 913 Graduating  
96   Andrew Johnson Jr. C 6'10" 222 Kansas gillispie1 817 On the fence  
97   Hans Zerzan Sr/5 SG 6'1" 199 Georgetown bballer2117 843 Graduating  
98   Thomas Shepherd Fr. PF 6'6" 202 Oklahoma justinlee_24 789 Staying  
99   William Frame Jr. SF 6'2" 186 W. Virginia johnsensing 818 On the fence  
100   Peter Welch Fr. PF 6'4" 216 Virginia sh0wtime99 881 Staying  
                       
  60th Pete Stacy Jr. SG 6'4" 211 Washington St blapo21 835 Not Listed Sweet 16
  58th Josef Smedley So. SG 6'2" 199 UNC johnsensing 802 Not Listed Elite 8
  54th Eric Segers SR C     Kansas        
  55th William Hamilton SR SG     Maryland        
  57th Dennis Avery SR SF     Arkansas        
  59th Michael Duke SR SF     Syracuse        
6/1/2014 7:28 PM (edited)
thats pretty cool stine, thanks for sharing!
5/28/2014 3:48 PM
nice work stine!
5/28/2014 4:00 PM
My Memphis team lost 2, essentially crushing any chance of of going deep next season. Gonna hang it up in Tark after this debacle. 
5/28/2014 4:04 PM
Posted by tianyi7886 on 5/28/2014 4:04:00 PM (view original):
My Memphis team lost 2, essentially crushing any chance of of going deep next season. Gonna hang it up in Tark after this debacle. 
wow, those players are not that gaudy, no way you should have lost those both off a B prestige mid major. that is just insane.
5/28/2014 4:12 PM
Nice list.
5/28/2014 4:20 PM
Good compilation. Thank you for sharing it with all of us!!!
5/28/2014 5:16 PM
Thanks. You guys could be nice and thumbs up my posts. I'll do an update to the thread when the draft results come out.
5/28/2014 5:47 PM
I don't get it.
I lost three and one was likely staying while the others were both in the fence. And others likely going stayed?! Rated ahead?


In another world, a conference mate lost one not even listed. What?!
5/28/2014 5:56 PM (edited)
The takeaway from the Tark list is that wis hates me and my Stanford team. James Carson was a juco2 that played one season.
5/28/2014 7:14 PM
So all of the "graduating" guys got drafted on both lists?
5/28/2014 8:04 PM
draft has not happened - we know who went EE but draft is a few days away
5/28/2014 8:45 PM
Some of these EEs are totally confusing...

For example, in Naismith, for Louisiana St. who plays until the 2nd round of the NT, Robert Newman (957 PG) slated as "Likely Going" ends up staying but Charles Moore (871 C) slated as "Likely Staying" goes EE instead from the same team.  Similar occurrence for Michigan as well.

There must be some type of balancing going on (# of guards drafted versus big men) and I'd guess that team success makes up a large proportion of the draft projection (similar to something like a final exam counting for 70% of your mark so the big board might be only showing the first 30%) as to why there are huge swings from staying to going EE and how players not on the board end up going as well.
5/28/2014 9:12 PM (edited)
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