Posted by artie40 on 9/24/2014 3:23:00 PM (view original):
I don't ever look at the stamina of the players I get. I would suppose if you played an up-tempo often, or in the press, you'd like someone who could be a useful player for 20+ minutes and there's a stamina floor. However, since I play the M2M, I don't even look at it.

TJ, you grab guys with WE under 10? I don't go below 30. Funnily enough, a LOT of the guys with many high potential attributes are saddled with low WE. I have a RS every year to give these players a boost.

My ideal D3 C would be very much like that player, but with higher LP.

Posted by mrg1037 on 9/24/2014 3:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by artie40 on 9/24/2014 3:23:00 PM (view original):
I don't ever look at the stamina of the players I get. I would suppose if you played an up-tempo often, or in the press, you'd like someone who could be a useful player for 20+ minutes and there's a stamina floor. However, since I play the M2M, I don't even look at it.

TJ, you grab guys with WE under 10? I don't go below 30. Funnily enough, a LOT of the guys with many high potential attributes are saddled with low WE. I have a RS every year to give these players a boost.

My ideal D3 C would be very much like that player, but with higher LP.

It's certainly not the most important rating, but I think stamina is still useful in man. Especially when playing a team of similar talent. It's a great feeling game planning for a late tourney matchup and seeing that my best players are in the 85-90 STA range, and his best players are in the 70-75 range. And a not so great feeling when I'm on the other side of that.

As you mentioned stamina is particularly important in press... a lesson I continue to stubbornly learn with my first press team.

Posted by artie40 on 9/24/2014 3:23:00 PM (view original):
I don't ever look at the stamina of the players I get. I would suppose if you played an up-tempo often, or in the press, you'd like someone who could be a useful player for 20+ minutes and there's a stamina floor. However, since I play the M2M, I don't even look at it.

TJ, you grab guys with WE under 10? I don't go below 30. Funnily enough, a LOT of the guys with many high potential attributes are saddled with low WE. I have a RS every year to give these players a boost.

My ideal D3 C would be very much like that player, but with higher LP.

Posted by bhansalid00 on 9/24/2014 3:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 9/24/2014 3:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jsajsa on 9/24/2014 2:24:00 PM (view original):
His stamina + WE will hold him back, but he's a very nice player. It's a catch 22: Stamina will struggle to climb to starting capable level unless you start him early.

If we are bragging about our centers though, I'm very happy about my future 90+ ATH/DEF 70+ rebounding center. 11 LP be ****ed!

I often look for guys with flaws.

I'll search for dudes with STAM under 50 or WE under 10   just to see if I can find someone the masses gloss over.

Every now and then you can land of them guys super cheap.  One of the best guys I ever had was a 13 WE center I signed for $110.

Was that 13 WE center a guy you could give mins / starts to right away to build up his WE, or was it just a case where his starting values were awesome as-is?

Posted by tkimble on 9/24/2014 2:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 9/24/2014 2:36:00 PM (view original):
If you won't take a guy with that kind of potential and 34 WE you are shooting yourself.  Not in the foot, more like in the face.  40 is an absurdly high floor, especially to be a hard floor.

+1

Posted by artie40 on 9/24/2014 3:23:00 PM (view original):
I don't ever look at the stamina of the players I get. I would suppose if you played an up-tempo often, or in the press, you'd like someone who could be a useful player for 20+ minutes and there's a stamina floor. However, since I play the M2M, I don't even look at it.

TJ, you grab guys with WE under 10? I don't go below 30. Funnily enough, a LOT of the guys with many high potential attributes are saddled with low WE. I have a RS every year to give these players a boost.

My ideal D3 C would be very much like that player, but with higher LP.

Posted by qb4usf on 9/24/2014 9:35:00 PM (view original):

A	SPD	REB	DE	BLK	LP	PE	BH	P	WE	ST	DU	FT	OVR

72

32

95

81

76

99

19

25

10

82

95

80

B-

766

This was the best C that I had in D3, and will likely never have someone like him again. He was paired with this guy that I got out of a JUCO, who had more potential when he left. 

70

4

94

86

75

76

27

10

2

63

72

50

B-

629

Posted by gillispie1 on 9/24/2014 4:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by artie40 on 9/24/2014 3:23:00 PM (view original):
I don't ever look at the stamina of the players I get. I would suppose if you played an up-tempo often, or in the press, you'd like someone who could be a useful player for 20+ minutes and there's a stamina floor. However, since I play the M2M, I don't even look at it.

TJ, you grab guys with WE under 10? I don't go below 30. Funnily enough, a LOT of the guys with many high potential attributes are saddled with low WE. I have a RS every year to give these players a boost.

My ideal D3 C would be very much like that player, but with higher LP.

start looking :) stamina can be a deal breaker in those situations you described, but it matters everywhere. stamina is a special sort of rating - great sta doesn't really make a bad player any better - but it absolutely makes a great player elite. when you consider a stud player can play a good 20% more (easily) in close games, if he goes from ok to great stamina - thats a straight 20% increase in productivity of that player. you get him over a backup 20% of the time, that is huge, thats roughly as valuable as the guy playing the same number of minutes but being 20% better compared to the backup (the difference between the starter and backup, times 1.2). 

you definitely don't pass on great players because their sta isn't great, but when you get a great player with great sta, they contribute much more to the team, than if they didn't have the stamina. stamina is definitely important to consider at all levels, in all systems, and often should make the difference between which of 2 players is favored - people just don't look at it that way, in general. but they should!

I've found STA to be a decent contributer to FT shooting. So when players are close, I look at those two things. I hate losing close games and shooting <60% on 25 FTs. I actually have no idea how players in college are so bad at FTs. As a very average varsity player I sat around 85%. As a coach, I would assign them 100 FTs a after being recruited. It takes maybe 20 minutes maximum. If you do it everyday from April (national signing day) on, you would have taken 18,000 FTs before practice officially begins. Even if you are doing it "wrong" you would be a much better free throw contributer.

 

Posted by docmastermd on 9/24/2014 5:03:00 PM (view original):
I have a blanced team. Once someone is a JR they move into the starting role (usually). So all my recruits have 2 years as a backup, occasionally 3. Those limited minutes means I need WE>40.