Posted by jdno on 1/13/2015 10:37:00 AM (view original):
Posted by emy1013 on 1/13/2015 6:48:00 AM (view original):
Posted by jdno on 1/8/2015 1:40:00 PM (view original):
I didn't want to bring up the part on Rails's run occurring during when I think he was one of the very few who knew about pulldowns/dropdowns, but to me that is a very significant factor. Obviously an outstanding run, but still, just as you said. And all your other stated reasons for oldman's run are very valid. It's just unheard of in D1 for such a run, so the rarity of the feat, plus the fact that it happened in a 1x/day world makes it more meaningful imo.
I don't think I quite understand why it happening in a 1x/day world makes it "more meaningful" than the 2x/day worlds. What, do they play more games in a 1x/day world or something? That really just sounds like a personal bias against the 2x/day worlds. I mean seriously, the only difference is that roughly half the games are at 2 p.m. instead of 2 a.m., so how does that make it "more meaningful"?
Seriously, that's the "only difference" you see? The times the games sim?
You've been playing this game longer than I have and I know you don't believe what you just wrote. There are plenty of good, great, and elite coaches playing the turbo worlds (edit: and some do play both! emy/dcy, I'd certainly consider you in that category fwiw). What I see is that there aren't enough of the great and elite coaches in each division of each of the turbo worlds relative to the 1x/day worlds. It's a concentration (or lackthereof) issue. And while I haven't seen updated world population data that billy runs, I wonder if general population levels in the turbo worlds are slightly less than the 1x/day worlds, further exacerbating the relative competitiveness. And I'd also be curious what the relative coaching turnover is in the turbo world vs. 1x/day worlds. The fact is it's easier for an elite coach in a turbo world to go on stretches of title runs than it is in a 1x/day worlds. I doubt there really is any argument against this conclusion. emy, you play in a lot of 1x/day worlds with both of your IDs, are you going to argue against this conclusion? And I'd go so far to say it's simply easier for a great/elite coach to win a turbo title than a non-turbo title in any given season simply because of the concentration issue.
Again, lots of good, great, and elite coaches in the turbo worlds, just not enough concentration (and in the current sim environment) to overcome oldman's accomplishment at Michigan St.
So there are my thoughts on this topic. Flame away!
However, I'd really like to hear from coaches who play in turbo worlds AND non-turbo worlds to get their viewpoint. Do you generally agree with what I said? Am I way out in left-field in your mind? Too hot of a topic to comment on? Come on, go there.
Geez, all you had to say was that there were more top quality coaches concentrated in 1x/day worlds than 2x/day worlds, ha ha!
It might be interesting for someone with the time to run the numbers again and see whether these conclusions hold true. Of course, they'd have to define what constituted each level of coach and who fit into those levels and that could come down to personal opinion I suppose.
Then you run into the problem of those coaches who are not as well known. Twice in the last four seasons, I've run into the same coach in the Phelan D2 title game. Had never heard of "Trophaeum" before and because I have a bunch of teams and have been around for awhile, I usually know who the better coaches are. Had never heard of this "Trophaeum", but after playing him for the title twice and watching him over the last few seasons, I came to a conclusion very quickly: this guy is GOOD! And you know what else he is? Unknown.
You asked, so here goes. I've actually had my greatest "clusters of success" in 1x/day worlds, not 2x/day. Won 3 titles in 5 seasons with 2 more title game losses in 2 additional seasons in D2 Rupp with Post (for 5 title games in a 7 year span). Won 3 titles in 8 seasons at D2 Parkside in Iba (starting with a title in my first season with the team). Title, Final Four, Title at D2 Wilmington in Crum. My second season at Humboldt State in D2 Smith and I'm playing for the title tonight. I can't claim anywhere near that kind of success in any 2x/day world I've been in, so I don't know what to say about that honestly.
Perhaps there are more "top notch" coaches concentrated in 1x/day worlds at the current moment than in 2x/day worlds, but I won't cheapen anyone's title by saying that it was easier to win than someone else's. To win a title in ANY division in ANY world will require you to beat some elite coaches along the way.
You may be right in your conclusions and I'm probably wrong, but I wonder if the fact that you play in a lot of highly competitive BCS conferences isn't tilting your viewpoint just a tiny bit. Regardless, to each their own, some like the slower paced worlds, others like the turbo worlds. I like them both and that's why I play both. I think it's difficult to win a title in either type world. I also feel that it's a bit disrespectful to those coaches in the turbo worlds to say that it's "easier" to win a title there than in the slower worlds. It's hard enough to win a title anywhere in my opinion, so perhaps we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. No harm, no foul and no worries! Have a great day!!!