3 Point Shooting Topic

What kind of ratings should go into giving a player a +2, +1, 0, -1 or -2? Obviously things like SPD, BH, and PER are important for that, but I want to see other people's take. Thanks
4/2/2015 12:16 PM
The defenders DEF and SPD and to a lesser degree ATH.
4/2/2015 12:48 PM
Don't forget about offensive IQ. IQ by itself doesn't make someone a shooter, but a shooter without the IQ is going to be unreliable.
4/2/2015 1:01 PM
So, you guys don't leave your shooter's ratings the same game-to-game? 
4/2/2015 2:42 PM
I also give some consideration to a players FT rating as well, that can tip me a point in either direction on some guys.
4/2/2015 4:33 PM
Going with the theme everyone else is saying, there are way too many factors that even if I write down my basic rules, even I don't follow them completely.
But to give ranges, assuming the player has 60+ spd and 50+ BH, so even start to base it on perimeter alone. Then Perimeter ratings would go like this...
Around 50 and below I put at -2, 50-70 -1, 70-80 0, 80+ +1.  I would only put a player at +2 if he had 95+ perimeter and great SPD, BH, and couldn't do anything else.  Because if he has any LP skills or can shoot FT's, you don't want him so far away from the basket.
Of course there are so many factors.  If the SPD and BH go up I'll up the frequency with lower PER.  Also, if this player is my only shooter, I'll let him shoot more 3's then if I have multiple shooters.  
I wanted to throw these numbers out there and see if people say my numbers are too strict or loose.  
The one other thing I'll say is that I move my disro during the season based on shooting percentages.  So if a player is shooting over 50% on the season I'll give him the ball more.  So same with 3 PT%.  If the player is shooting 40% at -1, I'll up his 3 pt distro.
4/2/2015 4:55 PM
I've learned that off. set help. I run fb and anything 80+ with 60+ bh and sp I put at +2. In DII. If he has 90+ per I don't care who is defending him I leave him +2. Also where you play him. I had a couple guys with low sp, but high ath and put them at the 3 and they shot better from 3 point land than at the 2.
4/2/2015 6:36 PM
I start with -1 around 65 and up, and a lot of my -1 guys can score from PER or from LP. 
65 and below usually is at -2, unless their ATH/SPD/BH is very very high. 

my squads don't shoot a huge amount of 3's for this reason, but we usually make them at a pretty high clip. 
4/2/2015 6:52 PM
I used to be either all 3's or no 3's until recently as I used to not put anyone over -2 until they hit around 75 PER.  And once I had a guy 90+ PER he was +2 heavy distro.

Now I account more spd/bh so a guy might only be 80 PER but have elite spd/bh I still might put him +2.  Generally I put higher and slowly lower if he can't shoot well, I like my shooters to be hitting 38% or more otherwise I decrease distro or +/- rating

Examples of my 3 point usage.

Julian Jones 73 SPD 95 PER 66 BH 

20% distro +2 A in FB shot 389 total 3's 41% overall and 38% from deep

Samuel House 96 SPD 76 PER 53 BH (D2)

 25% distro 0 A+ Triangle shot 138 threes 48% overall 38% from deep

Justin Hause 67 SPD 99 PER 77 BH best PER shooter I have had.

 past player estimate distro was around 20-25% +2 A+ in Triangle by SR year. 

Soph: 362 3PA 41% from deep 17.8 ppg 41% overall 85% of shots were 3's
JR: 486 3PA 43% from deep 22.3 ppg 45% overall 92% of shots were 3's
SR: 663 3PA 43.6% from deep 28.5 ppg (pretty sure lead D3 in scoring) 44% overall 94% of shots were 3's

Michael Rodgers 84 SPD 86 PER 97 BH

25% distro 42% ovrall and 39.8% from deep A IQ (motion) +2

Christopher Gordon 79 SPD 83 PER 76 BH

22% distro +2 44% overall 42 from deep

Some say I might be a little trigger happy from deep, and could score more efficiently wth those players with lower distro though.

4/2/2015 7:55 PM
I almost never put anyone at +1 or +2.  0 works just fine for me.  Of course, unlike nearly everyone else on this thread, if I've got a guy with a good IQ, good Spd, Good BH, and a Per of say 40-45, I don't mind a bit setting his three point setting at 0.  No problem with that at all.
4/2/2015 8:30 PM
How high I set a really good three point shooter's plus also has another factor:  How much I need the extra threes to balance my offense and get my three shooting into the preferred 15%-25% band  I'm not going to force them from a guy who can't shoot them at all, but if putting the good three shooter at plus two gets me into that band, I'll probably do it.

Of course, right now I have one team at 33% threes, which is a bit higher than my norm, and another at 35%, another at 28% and the last at 22%.  So i'm a bit high on threes, but that's more a function of the scorers I have at the moment than anything else.


4/2/2015 8:51 PM
Posted by arssanguinus on 4/2/2015 8:51:00 PM (view original):
How high I set a really good three point shooter's plus also has another factor:  How much I need the extra threes to balance my offense and get my three shooting into the preferred 15%-25% band  I'm not going to force them from a guy who can't shoot them at all, but if putting the good three shooter at plus two gets me into that band, I'll probably do it.

Of course, right now I have one team at 33% threes, which is a bit higher than my norm, and another at 35%, another at 28% and the last at 22%.  So i'm a bit high on threes, but that's more a function of the scorers I have at the moment than anything else.


This preferred 15-25% band.  Is this for HD or for real college basketball?
4/3/2015 8:06 AM
It's for me, and how I like my offenses to run. I find that usually mine tend to do best when in or close to those percentages. So it's what I aim for even if I don't always hit it. It also helps keep me from making an offense which is too specialized.
4/3/2015 9:54 AM
Posted by emy1013 on 4/2/2015 8:32:00 PM (view original):
I almost never put anyone at +1 or +2.  0 works just fine for me.  Of course, unlike nearly everyone else on this thread, if I've got a guy with a good IQ, good Spd, Good BH, and a Per of say 40-45, I don't mind a bit setting his three point setting at 0.  No problem with that at all.
I agree, emy. The only guys I put at +1 are 3 -point specialists off the bench. My regular 3-point shooters do well at "0"
4/3/2015 12:28 PM
That's what I like about this game.....many different strategies work....my CPP team is shooting 41% for their 3FGA and more than 50% of my team shots are 3FGA.....I use +2 a lot for that team.
4/3/2015 2:08 PM
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