Logic behind that prestige Topic

43 mdonegan 18-12 8-4 7-7 3-1 13-3 62 54 B+ CT Champion
NT (1st Round)
42 mdonegan 21-10 12-1 6-7 3-2 12-4 31 34 B+ NT At-large Bid
NT (Sweet 16)
41 mdonegan 25-8 11-2 8-5 6-1 15-1 9 17 39 B+ Conf Champion
CT Champion
NT (Elite 8)
40 mdonegan 25-5 13-0 10-3 2-2 15-1 22 18 91 B Conf Champion
NT At-large Bid
NT (2nd Round)
39 mdonegan 23-7 12-1 8-5 3-1 14-2 26 79 B- Conf Champion
CT Champion
NT (1st Round)
38 mdonegan 16-12 8-7 7-4 1-1 12-4 109 90 B- Conf Champion
37 mdonegan 21-9 11-3 8-4 2-2 14-2 43 55 B- Conf Champion
NT At-large Bid
NT (1st Round)
36 mdonegan 19-10 8-6 9-3 2-1 15-1 93 131 B- Conf Champion
35 mdonegan 22-9 11-2 7-6 4-1 13-3 24 58 128 B Conf Champion
CT Champion
NT (2nd Round)
34 mdonegan 19-11 9-3 7-7 3-1 13-3 70 97 B Conf Champion
CT Champion
NT (1st Round)
33 mdonegan 17-11 11-3 5-7 1-1 12-4 98 114 B
32 mdonegan 23-8 12-2 8-4 3-2 14-2 22 33 88 B+ Conf Champion
NT At-large Bid
NT (2nd Round)
31 mdonegan 30-5 12-0 10-4 8-1 15-1 2 5 75 B+ Conf Champion
CT Champion
NT (Championship Game)
30 mdonegan 21-9 11-2 8-5 2-2 13-3 56 120 B- Conf Champion
NT At-large Bid
NT (1st Round)
That guy went in the Champ game and never got over B+? He is in the champ game...Why isn't he a A?
3/26/2016 8:04 PM
Because be is utah.

Heck mygen made the NC game in Knight and still was an A and not A+

Prestige is total bullshit and it's a joke they aren't fixing it, because they are morons
3/26/2016 8:11 PM
They need to fix this thing, it's really killing mid-majors. MDonegan had a really nice stretch where he put up nice teams. Imagine he gets to A, maybe he wins it.
3/26/2016 8:13 PM
Doesn't this mirror real life though? Look at Butler's recruiting classes after their back to back championship game appearances. Look at Gonzaga's recent recruiting classes. Look at VCU post-2011. These are mid-majors that had similar runs to the one above and they're pulling in very good, but not great players. They're not competing for top prospects like you'd expect an A prestige team to be doing, but they're getting exactly the players you'd expect a team that's in the B+ range to get. In this way, I think prestige is working exactly as it should.
3/27/2016 12:25 PM
You got a point. Can't argue with it.
3/27/2016 1:20 PM
Stevens jumped to the NBA.

Shaka pulled the #20 SG in '12 and #9 SF in '14. With the added disadvantage that they ran a specific system similar to syracuse who can pull in big recruits but lands outside the top 10 recruiting classes a lot. VCU landed #25 class in '14 which was there best.

But I agree with tkimble.

Which is why baseline should never be eliminated, like some people call for, it's important to keep around
3/27/2016 1:58 PM (edited)
It is important to keep baseline if you want to ensure big 6 stays big 6..if you don't want that then getting rid of baseline makes sense. Depends on if you want the Div-1 game to mirror real life or not.
3/27/2016 2:15 PM
Posted by hughesjr on 3/27/2016 2:15:00 PM (view original):
It is important to keep baseline if you want to ensure big 6 stays big 6..if you don't want that then getting rid of baseline makes sense. Depends on if you want the Div-1 game to mirror real life or not.
can argue all you want about prestige and big 6 as a mirror to "real life" fact is NO mid major in "real life is sim coached and has a conference full of Sim coaches. This is not a mirror
3/27/2016 5:19 PM
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i don't want to get into the "is baseline prestige good" argument, and i generally fall in the middle on this issue anyway (meaning i agree it needs to be adjusted and i agree it should stay part of the game).

but, i do want to make one point. the national championship appearance in question is from season 31. its currently season 84, thats a 53 season difference, in a 1/day world. that's approximately 7 years ago! prestige has changed multiple times between then and now, so we can't use that to reject today's setup. we could use it as a data point, to see how much things have changed, if we can find teams from now and then with extremely similar resumes - i think that would be interesting, if someone wanted to look at that.
3/28/2016 1:19 PM
Posted by taniajane on 3/27/2016 5:19:00 PM (view original):
Posted by hughesjr on 3/27/2016 2:15:00 PM (view original):
It is important to keep baseline if you want to ensure big 6 stays big 6..if you don't want that then getting rid of baseline makes sense. Depends on if you want the Div-1 game to mirror real life or not.
can argue all you want about prestige and big 6 as a mirror to "real life" fact is NO mid major in "real life is sim coached and has a conference full of Sim coaches. This is not a mirror
Sim coach is irrelevant.. Someone has to coach a team. If a human does not then it is a SIM. Baseline prestige could care less who is coaching.
3/28/2016 3:38 PM
Posted by gomiami1972 on 3/27/2016 7:47:00 PM (view original):
What the hell does real life have to do with Hoops Dynasty? HD is based on an interpretation of the college basketball landscape from the early 2000's, lol. My calendar says March 2016...unless it's off by a decade or two.
The last time I checked, Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, North Carolina, etc. Are still the best recruiting teams in Div1.

I am not saying I LIKE baseline.. Just telling you it's purpose. I have no issue making baseline go away.
3/28/2016 3:42 PM
Posted by hughesjr on 3/28/2016 3:42:00 PM (view original):
Posted by gomiami1972 on 3/27/2016 7:47:00 PM (view original):
What the hell does real life have to do with Hoops Dynasty? HD is based on an interpretation of the college basketball landscape from the early 2000's, lol. My calendar says March 2016...unless it's off by a decade or two.
The last time I checked, Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, North Carolina, etc. Are still the best recruiting teams in Div1.

I am not saying I LIKE baseline.. Just telling you it's purpose. I have no issue making baseline go away.
Several people posed the question about HD and real life. My comment was not directly addressing baseline prestige.
3/28/2016 4:47 PM
Posted by gillispie1 on 3/28/2016 1:19:00 PM (view original):
i don't want to get into the "is baseline prestige good" argument, and i generally fall in the middle on this issue anyway (meaning i agree it needs to be adjusted and i agree it should stay part of the game).

but, i do want to make one point. the national championship appearance in question is from season 31. its currently season 84, thats a 53 season difference, in a 1/day world. that's approximately 7 years ago! prestige has changed multiple times between then and now, so we can't use that to reject today's setup. we could use it as a data point, to see how much things have changed, if we can find teams from now and then with extremely similar resumes - i think that would be interesting, if someone wanted to look at that.
FWIW, they "floated" prestige in about season 30 of Naismith, and it hasn't changed a heck of a lot since. Not sure exact season, so if this is Naismith, it's possible he went the exact season before they floated it, and got screwed, but I think that's unlikely. I think he was probably the highest B+ possible, and his conference sucked, so he had nothing to pull/push him up to an A- or A.
3/29/2016 8:42 AM
Posted by nc2457829305 on 3/29/2016 8:42:00 AM (view original):
Posted by gillispie1 on 3/28/2016 1:19:00 PM (view original):
i don't want to get into the "is baseline prestige good" argument, and i generally fall in the middle on this issue anyway (meaning i agree it needs to be adjusted and i agree it should stay part of the game).

but, i do want to make one point. the national championship appearance in question is from season 31. its currently season 84, thats a 53 season difference, in a 1/day world. that's approximately 7 years ago! prestige has changed multiple times between then and now, so we can't use that to reject today's setup. we could use it as a data point, to see how much things have changed, if we can find teams from now and then with extremely similar resumes - i think that would be interesting, if someone wanted to look at that.
FWIW, they "floated" prestige in about season 30 of Naismith, and it hasn't changed a heck of a lot since. Not sure exact season, so if this is Naismith, it's possible he went the exact season before they floated it, and got screwed, but I think that's unlikely. I think he was probably the highest B+ possible, and his conference sucked, so he had nothing to pull/push him up to an A- or A.
im with you, im pretty sure that event was after the floating prestige change - otherwise, he wouldnt have gotten so high. however, there have been i believe two more tweaks to d1 prestige since floating prestige, and at least 1. i agree, they haven't been huge changes, but still, they haven't been meaningless. i just think its not fair to point to this ancient example, which under today's standards may very well have a different result, and say the system needs to be fixed. there are plenty of outrageous examples to choose from, you know, from this era :) thats all im getting at.
3/31/2016 12:31 PM
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