My knight team just made it to the sweet sixteen, and won the conference tournament, but after the season my prestige went DOWN?! I thought that prestige was gained through postseason success? Right? And sweet sixteen is a strong season to have? Right?

This is my history
https://www.whatifsports.com/hdclassic/TeamProfile/History.aspx?tid=14116
I've made 7 straight NT's with 2 2nd round exits, 2 sweet sixteens, and a Elite 8, with the last 4 being
Elite 8
Sweet 16
2nd round
Sweet 16

I guess my RPI is a little low this season but I thought that that didn't matter for prestige. If it does count then why isn't my 3 straight top 15 RPI finishes canceling that out?

Makes perfect sense to me. A 25-7 35 RPI team that hasn't been past the S16 the last 3 seasons is not an A+ team. If you were an A going into the season your prestige probably would not have dropped further, but from A+... yeah.

It's funny because RPI going up or down is completely relative to YOUR last four seasons success. In theory (I've had it happen to me), your prestige could go down after making the final four if you had won the last four national championships. I stayed at A+ but got the dreaded "meeting expectations" instead of "exceeding" for that reason, while remaining A+ and only I knew it dipped slightly. It was comical but that's what happened. Since last season (s16, lower rpi) is weighted heavier, and it was slightly lower than previously, it probably decreased a minute amount and therefore dropped. You were probably at the rock bottom end of your prestige range before and now are at the high top end. (Think of prestige as a 1-100 scale, 90-93=a-, 94-97= A, 98-100=A+) and yours hit 98.0 for a season and dropped to 97.8 afterwards.
The other part of the equation is that your conference rpi could have gone down slightly which would also effect you slightly.

In reality, I think the top A+ Prestige might actually go way over 100 at times though after long term accumulations and including conference prestige factors.

Monster - I agree that one does not make sense. I am sure if you contacted CS they would tell you, that you are "very close" to A+.
Chances are your weak conference is pulling your team down a bit.

" Makes perfect sense to me. A 25-7 35 RPI team that hasn't been past the S16 the last 3 seasons is not an A+ team. "

That seems pretty compelling. I wonder what part of that does not make sense to anyone.

Posted by CoachSpud on 9/8/2016 11:59:00 AM (view original):
" Makes perfect sense to me. A 25-7 35 RPI team that hasn't been past the S16 the last 3 seasons is not an A+ team. "

That seems pretty compelling. I wonder what part of that does not make sense to anyone.

#Spudded

Posted by jsajsa on 9/8/2016 9:00:00 AM (view original):
Makes perfect sense to me. A 25-7 35 RPI team that hasn't been past the S16 the last 3 seasons is not an A+ team. If you were an A going into the season your prestige probably would not have dropped further, but from A+... yeah.

this. and monster, of course rpi is part of prestige! so is record. prestige was not tweaked when the projection report was put into place, at least not in the current/old engine depending on your world, so it still relies on the older mechanisms like rpi and record. NT success is a big part of it too, of course. my experience is that the difference in rd2 and s16 is not that much. really, the game under-weights NT success, for example a final 4 with 10 losses and 20 rpi is not that great of a season, prestige wise, its similar to a 2nd round season with 2 losses and #2 rpi.

i agree with others that you are very, very slightly below a+.

Spudhole invades another thread.


In Smith, there are 21 A+ teams. which means if you average a S16 you could be considered A+. So Spudhole, you once again added nothing to a thread.

That gif of Mr Hankey never gets old

" In Smith, there are 21 A+ teams. "
" Makes perfect sense to me. A 25-7 35 RPI team that hasn't been past the S16 the last 3 seasons is not an A+ team. "

So, even in Smith a 35 RPI team isn't an A+. That still makes perfect sense.

How about an example showing that it doesn't make PERFECT sense Spud. Although I do agree with other posters that it's because he started probably right on the fringe of A+

Please refer to my Ramapo team I just left a week ago.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hdclassic/TeamProfile/History.aspx?tid=7649

Season	Coach	W-L	Rank	RPI	SOS	Prestige	Notes
85	Benis	26-6		38	75	A+	NT (Sweet 16)
84	Benis	28-3	9	8	35	A+	NT (2nd Round)
83	Benis	33-1	3	3	26	A+	NT (Final Four)
82	Benis	31-2	7	6	21	A+	NT (Elite 8)

I made the Sweet 16 and finished the season with an RPI of 38. Pretty darn close to what happened with Monster. But I stayed A+. So it's not like it can't be done or anything.

I don't think RPI matters as much as you're making it seem like it matters on a single season basis Spud. The difference between Ramapo and Monster's team is that we made Elite 8 and FF in that 4 year span. Seems to have helped quite a bit.

Spud's first post is dead right, those four seasons are NOT an A+ team.

It depends on a lot of other issues. To say it CANNOT be A+ is not an intelligent statement.
This Smith team has the exact same success over those 4 years. DI prestige is handled differently than DII/DIII so the example doesn't match up perfectly.

89	bathtubhippo	24-8	10-1	9-6	5-1	12-4	14	16	28	A+	CT Champion NT (Sweet 16)
88	bathtubhippo	28-5	9-1	14-2	5-2	15-1	8	7	21	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (Elite 8)
87	bathtubhippo	26-5	9-1	14-2	3-2	14-2	11	6	26	A+	NT At-large Bid NT (Sweet 16)
86	bathtubhippo	23-8	6-4	14-2	3-2	11-5	25	20	15	A	NT At-large Bid NT (2nd Round)

There absolutely appears to have been an unannounced tweak to prestige within the last year, prestiges started becoming much more volatile, especially with upper teams prestige falling more easily.

Ok so 3 top 15 seasons in the last 4 years, with a top 8 postseason finish, two top 16 postseason finishes. My 2nd round exit year I got a 8 RPI, and my 35 RPI year I got a sweet sixteen. I guess I was wrong in assuming that those were good enough numbers.