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6/22/2013 8:26 PM
Posted by dh555 on 6/22/2013 6:13:00 PM (view original):
Posted by felonius on 6/22/2013 5:56:00 PM (view original):
clean, nice efg, good D, poor rebounding, would worry about individual attempts penalty
yea...i was actually thinking about running hc...well see how much usg i can add to the bench....i have enough in the starting lineup to run uptempo imo
definitely enough usage but attempts?
6/22/2013 8:29 PM
sly edit/delete those x and arrow boxes and your formatting will clean up
6/22/2013 8:40 PM
**** I thought I had done that. I'll do it when I get back home. Sorry folks
6/23/2013 1:50 AM
Sly, your per minute possessions come out to 116 a game right now at .483 per min per player. IMO need to be at about .533 to avoid the individual penalty.
6/23/2013 10:53 AM
So what's a measly .05 among friends... And, wow. You've analyzed that much data? Is that running UT?
6/23/2013 3:49 PM
Posted by slymonium on 6/23/2013 10:53:00 AM (view original):
So what's a measly .05 among friends... And, wow. You've analyzed that much data? Is that running UT?
Sly, I have tons of spreadsheets with the formulas built in, it's only a matter of a quick copy/paste on just about anything in the sim at this point. to kick out the analysis.

UT will likely generate 122-125 possessions per game, even if you only draft the 116, but you can take it to the bank that your tov% will be up by 2-4 points from RL, because the 116 is just for your starters.
6/23/2013 3:53 PM
How about you spit out some evaluations Nate. We have a bunch of starting 5's in place.
6/23/2013 3:54 PM
BTW take a look at icc's DH$52 team, drafted 141 possessions per game but he is only getting 115.7 (I'm pretty sure he has done some HC and slow down though).

One thing to note about that team though: RL tov% around 12.5-12.6; and his is only 12.98% in the sim, so at least those wasted possessions generated a RL tov% and he did not suffer the 2-4 point bump like the rest of us running UT.
6/23/2013 3:55 PM
Posted by 98average on 6/23/2013 3:53:00 PM (view original):
How about you spit out some evaluations Nate. We have a bunch of starting 5's in place.
Will have them up tonight, about to go to my kids baseball game for now.
6/23/2013 5:43 PM
Name Team Pos Usage% 2pt%# 3pt%# eFG% OReb% DReb% Ast% Stl% Blk%
Gary Payton 97-98 SuperSonics PG 24.6 50.6 33.8 50.5 2.8 10.4 28 2.7 0.3
Paul Pierce 10-11 Celtics SF 24.3 54.4 37.2 55.1 1.5 15.7 12.3 1.4 1.1
Shawn Marion 05-06 Suns PF 22.3 57.6 32.9 56 8.1 22.2 5.1 2.1 2.3
Swen Nater 73-74 Spurs C 20.4 55.3 0 55.1 12.1 31.2 6.6 0.6 1.5
Bill Russell 63-64 Celtics C 14.8 44 0 43.3 12.2 32.4 11.3 1.3 3.9
6/23/2013 5:48 PM
110% dreb in the starting lineup? good lord
6/23/2013 5:49 PM
Posted by eleibowitz on 6/23/2013 5:43:00 PM (view original):
Name Team Pos Usage% 2pt%# 3pt%# eFG% OReb% DReb% Ast% Stl% Blk%
Gary Payton 97-98 SuperSonics PG 24.6 50.6 33.8 50.5 2.8 10.4 28 2.7 0.3
Paul Pierce 10-11 Celtics SF 24.3 54.4 37.2 55.1 1.5 15.7 12.3 1.4 1.1
Shawn Marion 05-06 Suns PF 22.3 57.6 32.9 56 8.1 22.2 5.1 2.1 2.3
Swen Nater 73-74 Spurs C 20.4 55.3 0 55.1 12.1 31.2 6.6 0.6 1.5
Bill Russell 63-64 Celtics C 14.8 44 0 43.3 12.2 32.4 11.3 1.3 3.9
wasnt too long ago your whole starting 5 was picked by the end of the 2nd/early 3rd...nice squad
6/23/2013 8:36 PM
 I was afraid that eleibowitz would use those seasons for Pierce, Payton and Marion. That is a really good team. 
6/23/2013 10:55 PM (edited)
here's my latest thoughts~


98average - LeBron James, Tracy McGrady, Wes Unseld, A.C. Green, Clifford Ray

Can't argue against the King.  The 12-13 season would be the best in the sim if it had more minutes... and it might still be anyway. Other seasons are quality as well, but that 12-13 season is just insane.  Nobody except shaq brings that kind of offensive efficiency (shooting & turnovers) in the sim, and Lebron brings it all in the backcourt while helping others get better & a rebounding advantage that the Big Fella doesn't bring.  There's a special place for Tmac in these leagues... and it's not on a team with Lebron.  While the duo will still be very formidable, I just don't like to think that in crunch time, my 60% efg guy will be far less likely to take the shot than a just-above-50% guy.  Still, lots of boards in the back court.  Good dimes.  Good defense.  Unseld brings the usual need up front.  I like the squad... I just really wish you'd went with someone who had less usage than James to pair with him in the back court.  Green is an excellent 3 man in this (and almost any) league.  Clean player that gives you good boards for the position and above average to excellent defense depending on the version.  Excellent compliment to what the 9.8's got going on.  Ray is another great specialist who helps dominate on the boards and makes others shoot better.  High fouls are the only concern from him (300+ fouls in 1870 minutes = ouch!).  I like the feel of this team overall.  I hate that tmac is taking away from lebron, but I still feel like this is a very good team.

2. jhsukow - Wilt Chamberlain, John Stockton, Steve Nash, Adrian Dantley

With the right owner & right supporting pieces, 66-67 Wilt teams should almost be unstoppable.  I have yet to see it in an ODL, however.  I've seen it done right in the funk52, however.  If using the 68-69 or 71-72 versions, you should have taken someone else (moses).  If using the 65-66 season, you should have taken Kareem.  None of the other seasons are elite in a non-progressive setting. Okay... Stockton + Wilt is frightening.  My only concern is only having 4 usage points with $20M already spent.  While I love the Nash + Stockton back court (and really love it in combo with Wilt), you're going to run into some big turnover problems now.  Trust me on this one, I've run that very combination a few times.  You needed more usage, but not in a guy like Dantley.  You now have a tremendous board disadvantage (you're getting squat from your back court & Wilt can't do it all himself no matter how much you think he might).  You'll have some outrageous shooting, but I just don't think this team can win consistently with the trouble you're facing in the possession battle.

3. mikee1 - Dennis Rodman, Chauncey Billups, Kevin Love, Alonzo Mourning, Andre Drummond

I still think the Worm is the highest value in the sim, as nobody gives you what he gives you.  It's a challenge to build around him in this league, though, or more people would win with him.  It's pretty unthinkable to take a full support player this early, but I still hold to the opinion that his value is top 5 worthy.  Give me Worm & I'll walk away with the ring. Mr. Big Shot is always a good choice for possession control... depending on the version used, the guy can be one of the least turnover prone point guards in the sim.  Gets to the line a ton & shoots a ton of threes.  His 2pt%# is what kills him.  I still think he's a championship point guard with the right team (I won many 'ships with him in my early sim days, but never in a draft league).  The possession control he gives you in combination with Worm & Love is tremendous.  Love gives you so many boards, a superior number of threes for all the other little things he brings, and a fantastic ability to get to the line & make 'em while in the game.  He, like Chauncey, has a mediocre efg% because of his two-point shooting, but I really dig the possession control vibe you've got going.  Zo is one of the guys I was surprised was still here seeing how well my funk52 team is doing built around him.  He & love are flipside defenders.  He'll be your highest usage guy and has really good efg%.  Drummond is a stud rotation guy up front.  I guess you're like me & believe that shooting guards are a dime a dozen after the first few and can wait till round 6 to pick up yours. I feel like you took this team in the right direction.

4. skypilot - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bob Lanier, Clyde Drexler, Charlie Edge, Mike Conley

3500 minutes of tier 2 usage at 57% efg?  Yes, please.  Note:  I won the ODL recently with the Captain.  It should be pretty easy to see why.  But it wasn't by pairing him with a mediocre efg%, high usg%, mediocre rebounder in Lanier.  Overrated here.  This is why I hate when I see someone that really doesn't know what they are talking about being so incredibly vocal... they influence people in the wrong way.  Lanier is at best a 4th rounder for a team that loaded up on usage & rebounds in the back court (like tarheel's bird/ginobili pair).  Remember: every shot Lanier takes at his mediocre fg% is a shot that Kareem isn't taking at his 57%+.  That said, I like Drexler here.  I almost took him in round 2 and had him tops on my list for round 3.  While he also has a mediocre efg%, he gives you boards, assists, threes & defense at the 2 and is an excellent compliment to the Captain from the outside.  A team built around the 2 of them with a couple of tier 4 usage guys & a low usage specialist would be extremely competitive.  I feel like Lanier takes this squad down to being merely battling for playoff contention.  It is early yet. FYI: my Kareem 'ship team here's first 3 picks were Kareem, Camby, Porter.  I like Edge.  I'm not sold on Conley.  Overall meh team.  Not the worst I've seen.  Not the best.  I feel like this is in the 30-40 win range.

5. cmcafeeky - Michael Jordan, Dikembe Mutombo, Shawn Kemp, Derek Harper, Voshon Lenard

This feels about right for Jordan now.  Lebron (in the sim) is clearly better in all areas except tov% (but when you factor in assists, it becomes a close race there as well), but he's the only guard you can say this about.  I feel like building around Jordan is more of a challenge than building around bigs, but his value, to me, is top 5.  Mutombo is either an elite defender with slightly above average boards or an elite rebounder with above average defense.  Depending on who else you get, it can change which you use.  I like the pick, though.  Kemp... wow.  Great front court option for Jordan.  I really feel like you can screw the pooch by using the wrong Mutombo & wrong Kemp... but if you pick the right versions, this is a really, really good start!  Harper is a nice compliment to this team!  Decent defense, efg%, ast%... he's a really good 4th round PG.   Voshon Lenard confuses me a bit, however.  That makes me think you're using MJ at the 3, which is a mistake IMO.  Lenard is a great role player but doesn't do enough PG-type stuff to be a Harper backup & is too low of usage to be MJ's backup.  You're now weak on the boards no matter what you do with Kemp & Mutombo.  I really feel like this squad is quite average now.

6. ashamael - Moses Malone, Terry Porter, Carlos Boozer,  Chris Webber, Brandon Rush

Moses used to be the unanimous #1 pick in this league season after season.  It's easy to see why: 44% crb (an absurd 18% on the offensive side), almost 55% efg at tier 3 usage, lots of ftas at a decent make percentage, not many fouls... all for 3300+ minutes.  Lots of turnovers doesn't detract from his value.  I value Howard here more per minute, but Moses has a lot more minutes to use.  While that means he costs more, it also means I get to use him almost the entire game in the playoffs, which is a boon to me.  There's only one guy in the sim with 20+ ast%, 55+ efg%, 17.5+ usg% & lower tov% than Porter, and he went first in this draft.  Porter also isn't a defensive liability with his 60.  Only one guy I like better overall than Porter for this role, but I've used him a lot recently and wanted to get someone with less turnovers since I have Moses already.  Boozer gives me more solid efg (56) at tier 3 usage and 40 creb to pair with Moses for board superiority.  Also gives me 10+ ast%, which was something I was really looking for since Porter is kind of average in the ast% dept (26).  He & Moses are flipside defenders, so I feel pretty good against most teams' front lines (not too many teams are going to have a scary 4 & 5 in this league, but a couple will... maybe).  In addtion, I'm working on a theory about something that I think it might end up being pretty major in the way we build offenses.  I'll tell more later, as it will reveal more than I care to at the moment. I took Webber because I wanted the ast% with the defense, decent efg% & boards he gives me at the 3.  Really felt he gave me a bit of everything and was in the usage tier I was looking at.  This gave me 14 usage points between my first 4 starters, giving me the option to grab the guy I wanted at the 2 if he was still there.  And yes, Brandon Rush was still there.  60% efg, lotta threes, decent boards at the 2, 76 d, good efficiency... love everything about him.  Very happy with the cumulative totals this five gives me.

7. seapilots - Karl Malone, Robert Parish, James Harden, Andre Igoudala, Charles Oakley

3100+ minutes of almost 57% efg at tier 1 usage with a metric ****-ton of ftas at a decent make-rate.  Yes, please.  Should be noted that I won the ODL recently with the Mailman (the version I just mentioned).  The 96-97 version is often used, and is good, but I feel the 89-90 version is superior in this particular league.  You almost can't go wrong with either, however.  Very easy to build around.  Parish gives you some much needed offensive boards, good efg% at a reasonable usage and he & Mailman can flip/defend each other's man.  Very nice pick there.  I think you needed more boards overall, but Parish was still excellent, man.  Harden was a very nice outside compliment to Malone.  Gives you a ton of good and very little bad.  High foul teams are going to loathe playing you...  Excellent start.  Not a huge Iggy fan, and with this pick I'm assuming you're using the 96-97 Malone for the ast%.  I feel like this was a step back for your squad.  Oakley was a fantastic fit, however.  Still a powerful squad; I'm just not as excited as I was before.

8. smokey57 - Kevin Durant, Willis Reed, Rajon Rondo, Josh Smith, George Gervin

Clearly a top 10 value now that his 12-13 season has come out.  Gives you an edge in all 3 facets of the game (possession, shooting & fouls).  If it wasn't just flat easier to build around big men, I'd say he's a top 5 value.  He gives you better boards (in regard to position) than Kareem or Shaq, gets to the line as much as anybody and makes them at a ridiculous rate.  Almost a 56% efg at tier 2 usage with many of those being 3s... the guy is a stud all around.  Reed is a reach here.  Again, he brings you a lot of mediocrity when you could have complimented Durant with much better.  There were many better options at PG still available, including a guy who is almost just like Rondo only better in every facet.  Durant deserves better.  Smith was a bad pick but was still okay as long as you were putting him at the 3.  Gervin cemented the fact that you ruined a Durant team.  Congrats.

9. banditone - David Robinson, Bobby Jones, Stephen Curry, Wes Person

I'm not the fan of the admiral that many people are.  People keep saying "his boards..." but his boards are only 12 & 23.  That's not elite.  That's certainly not better than Howard.  "...and his 55% efg" is not better than Howard or Shaq or Chuck.  His 100 defense is nice, though.  55/100 vs 60/90... I'm taking the 60/90 (efg/def).  His turnovers are way better than Howard's, though, so there is that.  All told, can't diss the pick... just expressing that I'm just not as huge a fan of him as many others seem to be (I've never won anything with him in any league variant, which is saying something). Jones is always a top notch small forward.  Decent boards, great fg%, great defense.  He is an excellent compliment to the Admiral.  Ah, Curry... Yes!  Great outside to your excellent inside game.  Love your start, dude!  I really, really like Person on this squad.  The only worry I have now is your ast%.  You need more of it, I feel.  But man, you've got a super tight squad with the right usage, efg% & boards that make me sit up and recognize!


10. Tarheel1991 - Larry Bird, Manu Ginobili, Larry Nance, Mark Price

Nothing not to like about this pick, as long as he's playing the 2 (or you do a crazy ast% thing, in which case he can do the 3 or 4 fine).  Good efg% at tier 2 usage, a few threes, helps everyone shoot better, moderate defense, crazy good tov% when factoring in all of the assists he gives... definitely a top 15 value in my mind, so taking him at 10 is realistically good.  Love Ginobili here.  I anticipate him playing PG & Bird at SG.  So much good about that combo that I can't even begin to say how much I like it!  Adding Nance to the mix... incredibly efficient on the offensive end & a defensive stalwart.  With the board advantage you've gained in the back court, he isn't going to hurt you on the boards at all.  And now you pick Price... I feel like it was a backwards pick.  Still a strong squad, but where is your board competitiveness now?  Nance at PF is a huge disparity.  Bird at SF is pretty low, too.


11. krishnaman - Dwight Howard, Brent Barry, Kenneth Faried, Amare Stoudemire, Samuel Dalembert, Deron Williams

Great value in getting Howard here.  The 10-11 is idea for building a team around, and the 07-08 is a wonderful compliment season if you get someone with high usage later on.  The 09-10 season is another good compliment season.  Good defense, fantastic efg% at a tier 3 (or tier 2 if you go 10-11), elite rebounding - THIS is what I strive for in the first round of the ODL.  If you can get this outside of the top 10, you're ahead of the game.  Fantastic pick.   Should be pointed out that I've won the ODL with Howard.  Twice, actually.  Chandler solidifies your board advantage up front, gives you more good defense & some more reliable field goals, albeit at a low rate.  For 30 minutes a game, your front line is scary as hell.  Great start.  Barry was a killer pickup.  You have tremendously high efg% all around at the moment.  Barry gives you good boards & dimes in the back court.  63 defense is not a liability.  You need some other guys to take some shots with your other picks, but I absolutely love what you've got going here.  Well, you certainly wasted no time in getting more shots!  I hope you're doing Amare at the 3 (that sounds nasty).  If so, that's a nasty, nasty rotation with Faried (and Amare can back up Howard as well). Dalembert gives you a bit less than Chandler in most areas but more defensive boards, so that's really nice.  D-Williams is a great point in this setup.  I'm not sure if you helped or hurt yourself with the trade, but I do like this group a lot.


12. natenoy - Shaquille O'Neal, Ray Allen, Tyson Chandler

Pretty much what I just said is repeatable here.  Rebounding isn't as good but the turnovers are WAAAAAY down (both being possession stats, you see that one sort of washes out the disadvantage of the other).  Shaq is one of the most efficient high usage scorers there is.  His 94-95 season has only a 9.0% tov% (good luck finding even CLOSE to that in tier 2 or above usage at 57%+ efg).  His 93-94 season has lots of minutes.  His 99-00 season has great defense and the least fouls.  His 00-01 season gets to the line more per minute than just about anybody else you want to talk about.  Lots of good choices here and is extremely easy to build around.  Shuttlesworth makes this probably the best inside-out combination this league will see.  It'll win a ton of games, and luckily you won't ruin this like someone ruined the combo in the funk52.  Lovin' it.  D-Will: As I said, I almost took this guy instead of Boozer to form a high octane ast% back court.  The guy gives you a ton of good and fits right in with Shaq & Allen.  He'll feed the ball well, give you a few threes, overall 54% efg at point guard is pretty nice... and he & Allen are flipside defenders.  I dig it.  Looking for specialists the rest of the way, as your usage is either at 14 or 16 already, depending on which Allen you use. Chandler pickup helps shore up some problems Shaq causes, but you've got a ton of minutes to fill with pretty low draft picks.  I'm concerned for your team now & don't understand why you did what you did.


13. slymonium - Charles Barkley, Marcus Camby, Andrew Bynum, Reggie Miller, Jose Calderon

60% efg at tier 3 usage for 40mpg; almost 35% creb at the small forward position, gets to the line like nobody else & makes them while there. 56 defense is not horrible, especially in this league.  I once told the ODL that Chuck was the best player in the sim and should be taken #1.  People scoffed.  I won two championships with him... and then people started taking him #1.  He's not #1 anymore (he wasn't even really back then) but he's still a top 10 value for sure... and sly getting him at 13 is painful (for the entire league).  Sly has won rings with Chuck before and knows how to build around the guy.  Scary.  Camby brings more boards & good defense to the fray.  Helps Chuck shoot better.  Doesn't turn the ball over.  Doesn't foul.  As I said, Sly knows how to build around Chuck.  If you aren't scared yet, get that way.  Bynum is a solid pickup - gives you more boards & more good scoring.  Did you know that Barkley + Miller is my favorite offensive combo in the game and was the core of my first 2 ODL championships?  Best inside-out duo in the game IMO.  Calderon is an absolute perfect fit here.  You're going to have one of the weakest teams in the league defensively, but man, that offense is frighteningly good!


14. steelers821 - Tim Duncan
, Elton Brand, Joe Dumars, Maurice Cheeks, Ed Davis

I don't think this is the reach that others do.  Tier 2 usage, 54% efg, top notch boards & great D... yes, please.  Has another season with more minutes & less boards to use, too.  He doesn't help you win in the foul factor, though, so he might not be a top 15 guy.  But I feel like he's a top 15 to 20 value, so I can't fault you for this.  Brand's another guy with that whole meh efg%/high defense.  When it's the best you can get, I understand that, but when there are guys out there with better, I don't understand the mentality.  Still.. gives you good boards at the 3.  Just not feeling very frightened of this squad. Dumars went too high.  The guy doesn't give you a very good efg% (or many 3s - take your pick) and is almost non-existent on the boards... all for a little bit of defense.  Cheeks gives you no boards or no threes.  Davis means Brand is starting at the 4, which is a terrible sign.  This team can play defense... and that's about it. 
I drafted Davis to be sf/PF on bench I'm gettin my center in 6th

Oh okay.  I'll reserve further judgement till you fill your SL then!

15. tanguma44 -  Chris Paul, Donyell Marshall, Buck Williams, Emeka Okafor, Terrell Brandon

I'm still not huge on cp3 as a guy you build your team around.  He gives you few negatives & quite a few positives, but I'm still not sold on him as the centerpiece.  Lots of guys have won with him, however.  Once upon a time I was a huge Marshall fan.  Not so much anymore.  He is a lot like Paul to me... not many negatives, just not that overwhelming "THIS IS MY GUY" feeling.  I really feel like this was the time to get the dude Paul was to compliment, not a role player.  Buck gives you some good offensive boards & some support buckets (tier 4 usage, 58% efg, I assume).  Emeka's another tier 4 usage guy that gives you decent rebounding.  Interesting pick with Brandon.  You've got now two of the most efficient point guards in the sim when it comes to turning the ball over.  The offense isn't very scary, but it'll be efficient.  I really think you've got a pretty solid advantage in the possession battle despite the non-impressive rebounding (you're competitive there but not dominant).  This is a dangerous squad - one that will drive some teams absolutely crazy when it beats them.

16. iccoachb - Oscar Robertson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Drazen Petrovich, Wally Sczczfzfcztoomanyconstanentszdcda

I like Oscar more than cp3.  More minutes, better boards, better efg%, better fta/poss... things I care more about than the ast% & tov%.  Have to use the 54+% efg season, however, or I don't like the pick at all.  Oscar deserves better than Olajuwon.  I've broken the dream down enough in the past... at least nobody wasted a 1st on him this time.  I don't want to be too critical or rude so I'll just refrain from posting anything more except wishing you luck & if you care to learn more about the sim, I'll gladly share some info with you.

17. badja - Artis Gilmore, Penny Hardaway, Pau Gasol, Nick Anderson

Thievery in motion.  Should have gone before Duncan.  His 3rd tier usage, 58% efg%, 39% creb season is no joke.  His 4th tier, 56% efg%, 40%+ one is also not a joke.  Penny combined with either of these is serious business.  I really, really, really like your start, badja.  Scary offense, good possession control, good defense.  Scariest combination by far in the league thus far.  Gasol's becoming more and more popular & was a solid pick.  Kind of ****** you took Anderson because I expected him to be there late as part of a rotation I was working on.  Super solid pick if you use the right season (should be obvious but I see people blow it all the time).  Your great start continued & this team is frightening.

18. malone9975 - Dwyane Wade, Tom Boerwinkle, Kevin Johnson, Joakim Noah, Kevin Willis

I've always wanted to build around this guy's 08-09 season but have never had the cojones to pull the trigger.  He brings a lot of good.  Should be able to build a solid possession control/shooting control team with him, but I never see anyone do it right (dh came close, it seems like).  I like the Boerwinkle pick because it leads me to believe you're using Wade at the 1.  His short minutes are the only downer in an otherwise solid pick that really fits well with Wade (great boards, decent d, the lower minutes actually help you financially...).  I'm interested to see how you treat Wade in later rounds.  Well, when you took KJ that put Wade back at the 2, so I guess I'll have to wait another season to see if anyone will put him at point.  KJ is excellent, however, and Wade can cover his weakness.  Noah is a powerful 3 man, bringing you good boards and above average defense.  Willis is a steaming pile of ****, but he's a steaming pile of **** that will rebound for you.  You've got one of the strongest board squads in the league... but I don't know how much success it will turn into.  The offense just isn't that scary.

19. theyard2 - Ben Wallace, Jerry Lucas, Kobe Bryant, Charlie Ward

If you're not getting one of the top 7 or 8 efg% monsters to build around, I like building around a defensive/rebounding specialist like Wallace (see: my funk52 team).  Really would like to have seen you steer towards an offensive player here in round 2 instead of a guy like Lucas.  Lucas is solid, don't get me wrong, but you've drafted 2 guys and have 1.5 usage points.  Most of the high efg% guys will be gone before you get a chance to grab them (those with few weaknesses, anyway).  You've got good support, but I feel like waiting till round 3 to grab your first scorer is bad news.  Kobe gives you the offensive volume you needed.  As I've stated so often in the past, I'm not a huge fan of high volume/mediocre efg% guys in this league, but you can win with it.  Ward is a nice point guard that helps you in many ways.  You've got a good squad here thus far.  Your 3 man will make or break it, I feel like.

20. felonius - Julius Erving, Mookie Blaylock, Mel Daniels, Marques Johnson, Anthony Mason

I still don't think he belongs in round 1 despite a plethora of good numbers in important areas.  If you could somehow combine his 81-82 offensive efficiency with his earlier 70s seasons' minutes/boards, he'd be a freaking stud. But you can't, so he's either a mediocre shooting, high volume guy or a limited minutes, decent efg% guy that gives you zero 3s.  He doesn't belong in round 1.  Prove me wrong, primate man.  I don't like Mookie.  On paper, he gives you so much good, but I just feel like he has shot me out of too many games to really ever consider using him again in a non-restrictive atmosphere.  Daniels was a great value for where you got him, but I really just don't like this team at all.  But hey - I usually like your teams and WIS poops all over them, so maybe this will be a good thing.  Marques is a solid 3 man that gives you a lot of good and some great. Wish you could combine 2 of his seasons to have a lot of both.  Still, this is a good fit here.  Looks like you've got solid possession control thus far with reasonably strong defense.  I like the team better than before, but I still just shudder when I think about what Dr. J & Mookie will do to you in some games.  Mason brings some more good (and some needed ast%), but now I feel like some of your board advantage just went away.  Still a good aggregate total, but it just really feels like it's lacking some punch somewhere.  Probably looking at a .500+ team right now.  Grab the right couple of guys off the bench to shore up some of the weaknesses and it could get real mean.

21. eleibowitz - Bill Russell, Shawn Marion, Paul Pierce, Gary Payton, Swen Nater

Anytime you can get 3570 minutes of 44% creb, 70 def at 100% pf/c at pick 21, you've got a good steal.  See: what I said about Big Ben, only add 700 minutes.  I love the Matrix here.  Boards are a little crappy for a 4 where he's 100%, but he works well at 98% for a 3.  I might look at a flex forward so you could perhaps get that extra 2% out of Matrix by starting him at the 4, but you have a ton of flexibility going forth.  The guys after you have 52-53% efg% with good defense.  You have 56% with good defense.  I'll take the latter over the former (bill's only a tier 5 usage guy, so I'm not worried about him hurting you offensively much).  Pierce was an excellent pickup and someone I really wanted in both rounds 2 & 3.  His 10-11 season is perfect for this league.  Glove is someone I can't believe fell as far as he did considering some of the love people used to bear for him.  He brings you a lot of good and some bad.  I don't think you're using the best version of him for your team, but it's still solid.  Nater is very nice, especially when Russell is a flipside defender.  Your defensive boards is extremely strong & your offense is quite good as well.  The only thing I dislike is that Glove is your highest usage player & your weakest shooter (after Russ, of course).  Very good team that should win a ton.

22. coachcroft - Kevin Garnett, Scottie Pippen, Serge Ibaka, Jerry West

Still not a fan of Garnett.  Someone needs to win it all with him in this league to change my mind, otherwise, he's one of these guys that is a great value on paper but doesn't translate to ultimate success.  Pippen added to the mix is reminiscent of my opinion on Vance's squad:  efg% very meh.  Great defensively, though, and great assists, good on the boards.  Tad had a ton of success with this combo, so that shows you what I know.  I still don't care for mediocre efg%/high defense guys when there are high efg%, high def guys still available.  Ibaka's latest season is strong & you got an amazing value in him.  I really like what he does with Garnett & Pippen.  West just brings more goodness to the mix.  I don't know which Garnett you're looking at using, but if you used the 07-08 one, you're looking at 54%+ efg% for a team whose defense is going to be absolutely insane.  That's hard to pull off.


23. vancem - Magic Johnson, Bill Walton, Chris Mullin, Arvydas Sabonis

Frightening to think you got Magic here.  Only concern is that his best overall season is only 52% efg%.  I like his 56.5% efg season a lot, but only at SF in a high ast% theme.  Walton was the reach of all reaches in my mind, but you can't get a guy like him by the time you would have gotten to pick again in round 3.  So far, your efg% is very meh to me.  I don't feel scared of your squad. Yet.  Mullin brings some good offense to the table (and more turnovers).  Sabonis is one of my favorite players in the sim... seems awfully early, though, and you're hurting with two partial season players drafted through 4 rounds.  That SL is going to be pretty mean, but they're going to be in the game together less than 30 minutes a game!


24. dh555 - Jason Kidd
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Kevin McHale, Horace Grant, Bob McAdoo, Walt Frazier

Love Kidd, especially on the turn.  Don't have to explain why.  Then combining him with McHale... yes.  Really interested to see how you shore up the board shortage sine you've said you're going to play McHale at the 4.  Extremely efficient combo, both offensively & defensively.  You're set up really well to excel at the next turn, too.  Grant ensures you can play McHale at the 4 and ensures you'll be strong on the offensive boards, but you're going to be weak on the defensive boards.  McAdoo doesn't hurt you on the boards but doesn't really help, either.  I love the offense so far.  And with Frazier, if you use the season I would with him, you've solved pretty much every problem I can think of for this squad.  I officially love it.
6/23/2013 10:23 PM
I drafted Davis to be sf/PF on bench I'm gettin my center in 6th
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