5/17/2011 10:00 PM
Posted by sjurat on 5/17/2011 8:48:00 AM (view original):
Posted by rmancil on 5/17/2011 7:21:00 AM (view original):
The old engine isn't coming back I thought that Joe explained that pretty well. We have this game and frankly it isn't bad now in fact it is becoming a lot like the old one after all the adjustments.
Joe is not employed by WIS nor FoxSports - therefore his opinion doesn't mean squat. 

As for the new engine being like the old engine since all the adjustments - you make my agruement almost as good as the exiting players for bringing back the old engine.   Hell even Coke admitted, albeit over time, that the "Classic" formula was better suited to their client base.
Perhaps you know more about it than Joe I sure don't. I just find it hard to believe that the company would jump through all these hoops to revert back. Time will tell.
5/18/2011 12:54 PM
Posted by rmancil on 5/17/2011 10:00:00 PM (view original):
Posted by sjurat on 5/17/2011 8:48:00 AM (view original):
Posted by rmancil on 5/17/2011 7:21:00 AM (view original):
The old engine isn't coming back I thought that Joe explained that pretty well. We have this game and frankly it isn't bad now in fact it is becoming a lot like the old one after all the adjustments.
Joe is not employed by WIS nor FoxSports - therefore his opinion doesn't mean squat. 

As for the new engine being like the old engine since all the adjustments - you make my agruement almost as good as the exiting players for bringing back the old engine.   Hell even Coke admitted, albeit over time, that the "Classic" formula was better suited to their client base.
Perhaps you know more about it than Joe I sure don't. I just find it hard to believe that the company would jump through all these hoops to revert back. Time will tell.
No - I don't know more about it then Joe.  However, as of now, I am more vested in the old engine then Conte.  There has to be a file with all the different versions - hell I just ran across a Windows 4 cd when I move last month - which means all they (current WIS mgmt) would need to do is reload the software.  Granted all the history and current teams would not exist, but I bet the new/old world would fill immediately.  WIS could also make it that this "retro" world would not have award points - as Randy Moss once stated..."straight cash homey".

Considering Joe's opinion now that he's left WIS would be like actually listening to Jack Welsh on how GE should be guided.
5/18/2011 2:52 PM
What makes you think WIS management has any desire to roll back?  I am pretty sure Joe was not the "lone voice in the wilderness" fighting desperately to keep the new code in place.  
5/18/2011 3:47 PM
Posted by bhazlewood on 5/18/2011 2:52:00 PM (view original):
What makes you think WIS management has any desire to roll back?  I am pretty sure Joe was not the "lone voice in the wilderness" fighting desperately to keep the new code in place.  
First of all --- WIS isn't a multi-level corporate structure with numerous reporting entities.  In fact, as stated below, it's 6 guys slinging code - so yeah the "lone voice" was a cabel of 6.  He's gone so out of the remaining 5 how many were out there saying..."the only way to fix this thing is to rewrite the entire game".

My point is that FoxSports owns WIS - and what FoxSports wants is profits.  A mirror-site with the old engine - restarting at Season 1 would generate cash for WIS.  Yeah it would take some from the current engine - but who cares.  The New Coke drinkers returned to Classic/Old Coke over time --- put a point where Coke-Cola shut down New Coke.

$15/season - no Reward Points - and you would need to buy at least a 5-season pack to get into Season 1:

$75 x 250 = $18750 per world opened

Yeah I know...nothing to get excited about...however it would regenerate some excitement around the entire web site.

btw - I sucked at the old engine and I suck at the new...however the new doesn't have the flexibility as the old..making gameplay not as enjoyable.




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5/18/2011 9:39 PM
Posted by bhazlewood on 5/15/2011 6:55:00 PM (view original):
  Pre Update Year 1 Year 2 Year 3 Year 4 Year 5
Rockne
327
463
414
339
314
 288
Camp
242
460
364
277
261
 241
Bryant
253
441
347
300
273
 265
Wilkinson
240
376
297
226
 220
 208
Leahy
329
443
359
300
 280
 271
Stagg
270
369
370
296
265
 248 
Warner
285
428
393
297
273
 254
Heisman
293
433
364
308
286
 267
Dobie
222
293
256
215
 200
 191
Hayes
263
409
316
254
229
 216
Yost
300
426
338
293
271
 245
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Total
3,024
4,541
3,818
3,105
2,872
2694
So, From pre-update to 5/15/11, here is a quick rundown of this chart:
Rockne has lost 39 coaches
Camp has lost 1
Bryant has gained 12
Wilkinson has lost 32
Leahy has lost 58
Stagg has lost 22
Warner has lost 31
Heisman has lost 26
Dobie has lost 31
Hayes has lost 47
Yost has lost 55

Grand total of coaches lost = 330

It was apparently intended.
5/18/2011 10:46 PM
and those numbers will continue to drop!
5/18/2011 11:33 PM
Bah, world populations this time of year are always down from the pops during the height of football season (like the pre-update numbers being compared to in this thread).  I don't think the fact that pops are down only 10% since football season says anything about the state of this game (or its playability).  There is a clear and steady trend that has to be at least a warning to WIS but I don't think it is the indictment that many of you believe it is.
5/19/2011 12:57 AM
Posted by cydrych on 5/18/2011 11:33:00 PM (view original):
Bah, world populations this time of year are always down from the pops during the height of football season (like the pre-update numbers being compared to in this thread).  I don't think the fact that pops are down only 10% since football season says anything about the state of this game (or its playability).  There is a clear and steady trend that has to be at least a warning to WIS but I don't think it is the indictment that many of you believe it is.
I would agree with you if they hadn't handed out a ton of free seasons during that time frame. But being that they gave out thousands of free seasons and are still down just a few seasons later is a pretty bad sign IMO. 
5/19/2011 4:14 AM
Can't believe this game is still alive lol
5/19/2011 7:52 AM
just left Camp even though my team will probably win the NC next season
5/19/2011 8:27 AM
Posted by sjurat on 5/18/2011 3:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bhazlewood on 5/18/2011 2:52:00 PM (view original):
What makes you think WIS management has any desire to roll back?  I am pretty sure Joe was not the "lone voice in the wilderness" fighting desperately to keep the new code in place.  
First of all --- WIS isn't a multi-level corporate structure with numerous reporting entities.  In fact, as stated below, it's 6 guys slinging code - so yeah the "lone voice" was a cabel of 6.  He's gone so out of the remaining 5 how many were out there saying..."the only way to fix this thing is to rewrite the entire game".

My point is that FoxSports owns WIS - and what FoxSports wants is profits.  A mirror-site with the old engine - restarting at Season 1 would generate cash for WIS.  Yeah it would take some from the current engine - but who cares.  The New Coke drinkers returned to Classic/Old Coke over time --- put a point where Coke-Cola shut down New Coke.

$15/season - no Reward Points - and you would need to buy at least a 5-season pack to get into Season 1:

$75 x 250 = $18750 per world opened

Yeah I know...nothing to get excited about...however it would regenerate some excitement around the entire web site.

btw - I sucked at the old engine and I suck at the new...however the new doesn't have the flexibility as the old..making gameplay not as enjoyable.




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Obviously some of that data is outdated - they haven't been a private independent company for a year or two.  But let's say they are still under 10 people in the WIS division of Fox.  So what?  It really boils down to a decision of one person, Tom Zentmeyer.  Do you think the new engine would not have rolled out without his OK?  Do you think it would stayed out if he had said to roll it back?  That was my point - Joe Conte wasn't single handedly holding the GD engine in place.

You really think people would flock to play the old engine at $15 per season and no rewards points?  Especially making them fork over for a 5-pack even to get started?   I will resist the urge to be a smart*ss and just say I disagree.  You might get 150-200 people playing it, but how is that any better from a bottom line ongoing basis than it is today?  Even if you got a thousand people, other than your one-time initial surge of cash - which we be nearly $ZERO for the next 4 months - they still aren't any better off than today.


8/29/2011 11:31 PM
curious to what the new # are.
8/30/2011 12:23 AM

Rockne - 245
Camp - 216
Bryant - 247
Wilkinson - 189
Leahy - 235
Stagg - 228
Warner - 213
Heisman - 210
Dobie - 162
Hayes - 178
Yost - 210

8/30/2011 7:32 AM
  Pre-Update          Current  
327 245 -82
Camp 242 216 -26
Bryant 253 247 -6
Wilkinson 240 189 -51
Leahy 329 235 -94
Stagg 270 228 -42
Warner 285 213 -72
Heisman 293 210 -83
Dobie 222 162 -60
Hayes 263 178 -85
Yost 300 210 -90
Total Loss     -691
Avg Loss     -63
8/30/2011 8:43 AM
So despite all the yelling and screaming, GD still has 77% of the capacity it had before the engine was changed.  Especially when you consider that maybe half the accounts lost were coaches that had teams in multiple worlds (and even additional accounts in the same world), the amount of retention despite the decries of an inferior product is rather amazing.  That is far better than what was expected by us users and I think what GD could have hoped for.  It would be interesting to know how many new users (never played in the old engine) there are now but, of course, that isn't readily available data. 

Obviously, a successful update to the game would have increased the number of coaches.  The game looks like it will survive but until they fix some things, its obvious that it's not going to thrive.  Thanks for the update, atcchris and dansonball.
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