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5/2/2012 3:19 PM

As I'm getting beat week in and week out, I'm re-thinking my game planning.  :)  Many of the coaches with the best teams in DIII are running one formation at all times.  This makes sense to me, as you can really "practice up" a specific formation.  Many "real life" teams apply this same concept.

Looks to be pretty solid strategy.  But then, there are coaches who have equally strong teams that run their offense out of a bunch of different formations. 

Love to hear the arguments on both sides...
5/2/2012 3:56 PM
I tend to use multiple.....Form IQ doesn't have much of an impact at this point, so I don't think there would be much benefit to sticking with just one regardless of the situation just due to practice effects.   I suppose it might be more difficult to game plan against a team that only runs one formation, but it seems too limiting to me.  If I see a coach is running 4-4 against, for instance, the I-formation, I like to have the flexibility to pass aggressively against it.  
5/2/2012 3:58 PM
With the new engine, I honestly don't see that it matters what formation(s) you use.


5/2/2012 4:00 PM
You think you can pass as effectively from the NDBox as Shotgun with the same comp% & yd/attempt?  Doesn't seem reasonable to me at all....
5/2/2012 4:05 PM
I guess what I'm saying, using the formations that are comparable, you'd get the same results, even if you practice one or both formations.

For example,
Passing out of Trips or SG would be comparable

Running out of WB or NDBox would be comparable

Either out of Pro Set or IForm would be comparable

So, you can do whatever you want and still be successful.  You can practice one formation and only use that formation and do good.  You can practice no formations and use them all and still do good.  Or any combination of the 2.  I personally believe (to a point) that the actual personnel doesn't matter as much as it should, especially on defense.

5/2/2012 4:06 PM
Talent is still king.  Unless you're doing something really wrong.

5/2/2012 5:05 PM
Posted by bhouska on 5/2/2012 4:05:00 PM (view original):
I guess what I'm saying, using the formations that are comparable, you'd get the same results, even if you practice one or both formations.

For example,
Passing out of Trips or SG would be comparable

Running out of WB or NDBox would be comparable

Either out of Pro Set or IForm would be comparable

So, you can do whatever you want and still be successful.  You can practice one formation and only use that formation and do good.  You can practice no formations and use them all and still do good.  Or any combination of the 2.  I personally believe (to a point) that the actual personnel doesn't matter as much as it should, especially on defense.

Ah...I see what you mean, and I would agree that the differences within these 3 categories would be quite small.  I also agree that there should be a clearer criteria that determines the *fit* between players & formation.  For instance, does FB str/blk play a stronger role when running out of I-form vs. pro-set?  Is speed more important in WR in shotgun, but elu more important in trips (fewer WR, greater need to get open).  Etc.  

I do think you could create a very successful team using only one formation (in fact, I just started in Kenyon to try shotgun only); but to me, it is more fun to have some variability--I love running conservatively using the ND Box against those few 3-4 defense only teams I have found....
5/2/2012 5:07 PM
Posted by bhouska on 5/2/2012 4:06:00 PM (view original):
Talent is still king.  Unless you're doing something really wrong.

I agree--game planning should matter, creativity with depth charts & distributions should matter (too bad we can't control this!!!!), but you can't make chicken salad out of Sim AI recruits!
5/2/2012 8:54 PM
Posted by bhouska on 5/2/2012 3:58:00 PM (view original):
With the new engine, I honestly don't see that it matters what formation(s) you use.


we have a new engine?
5/2/2012 8:56 PM
Posted by govolswoo on 5/2/2012 8:54:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bhouska on 5/2/2012 3:58:00 PM (view original):
With the new engine, I honestly don't see that it matters what formation(s) you use.


we have a new engine?
Well, that is how it is referred to. Really is a year and a half old
5/2/2012 9:08 PM
Whew!
I am only about 1/2 a year old
5/2/2012 9:09 PM

The best 2 teams in my conference both run nothing but Trips and in the last 5 seasons, they have 5 NC appearances combined and 2 NC's.  However, one of them doesn't practice formations at all so I don't think that's the big factor.  They can recruit to a very specific set of personnel though and don't have to carry many RB's since they never use a FB and don't have to carry a ton of WR since they never use SG.  Consequently, they are very deep up front on both sides of the ball.

5/2/2012 9:10 PM
Its more about having guys to fit your formation.  If you have a bunch of slow WR and 6 TE then you should probably be running ND Box.  If you have a bunch of slow RB but a really good QB, maybe SG is better.   More people run into issues with having guys that dont fit with what they want to run.  
5/2/2012 10:01 PM

Personally, I think  it's all a crapshoot... I love the game, but I don't think formation practice matters much and gameplanning unfortunately doesn't seem to either.  I don't spend much time on formation practice and I had more Average Team Growth than any team that made the playoffs in my conference... my overall team growth was 42 in 16 games.  Some of this may also be because my entire roster is all high potential guys, so I take that with a bit of a grain of salt.  In any event, that leaves you with talent and even that doesn't seem to matter all that much.  I played a guy in the second round of the playoffs and felt my team was either superior or better at about every position.  I gameplanned him down to a tee and he did everything I expected him to do.  The problem is that EVERY SINGLE thing he did worked, even though I was prepared for it at every turn.  Spent 2 hours gameplanning and took what was probably the worst beating I've taken since my first season, 54-6.  When I looked at the Game Analyzer, he did exactly what I expected and prepared for, yet every single thing he did worked.  The following game, another team in my conference completely dominated him.  So how much of it really matters?  I run multiple offenses and defenses throughout the course of a game with nice success. 

There is one advantage I've found in running a fairly solitary offense and that is this.  Let's say you run Pro Set as your only offense.  On 1st and Long can set up your first option as Always Pass - Very Aggressive and then the second option  for 1st and Long can be set as Always Run - Very Conservative.  Since there's only one defensive setting for Pro Set 1st and Long, you can't effectively gameplan (assuming gameplanning matters)...  Hopefully this will be addressed in the update if they're aware of it

 

5/2/2012 10:26 PM
So, would you rather have multiple settings on defense for 1st and Long and have it randomly choose one of them?  I would defend that attack with 4-3 Balanced on my team unless he had an advantage over me on the run or pass and then I might lean the tendency in that direction. 
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