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2/10/2011 7:09 AM
In one of the leagues I run, I give new owners an extra pick at the end of the 1st round as an incentive to join.   You might want to run that by your league to see if they would approve of the that.   It might help.

FWIW, I have very little difficulty filling openings.   

2/10/2011 7:37 AM
Yes, we've given extra picks in this league before to owners coming in to take over sad sack teams.  It's unfortunate that something like that even has to be done, though.

By the way, reading over some of these posts, I think we should remember to differentiate between good managers and good owners -- they're not necessarily the same.  Because I realize the guy I'm talking about is a good manager.  I'm criticizing him as an owner.
2/16/2011 11:55 AM
Put yourself in the other person's shoes and give them the benefit of the doubt. If you were in the shoes of the person in question, would you expect to be on this list?
2/16/2011 3:59 PM
Well, considering I've already posted that I'd feel like a douchebag if I did what he did, I guess the answer would be yes. Yes, I would expect to be on this list. 

By the way, I haven't even named the owner yet.  He wound up winning the WS (his 2nd in 5 seasons), and he promised earlier that he'd return if he won it all.   Let's see if he keeps that promise.

I'm baffled by the low expectations people have of prog owners.  Apparently you can take over a powerhouse team, put together a .625 run over 5 seasons, make the playoffs every year, win the WS twice -- then drop the team like a hot potato as soon as it's time to rebuild (and leave the next owner in the lurch by trading away your top 2 picks the following season).  

And this guy commishes other leagues, so he knows exactly what it means to abandon a team in this kind of shape.


2/16/2011 4:11 PM
As a commish, if I held everyone to the same standard I try to keep myself, I'd have to report 1/3 of the league. There is a limited supply of progressive owners, so I feel we have to be somewhat lenient. I'd love to raise the standard, but it would make the already challenging task of filling a league even more difficult.
2/16/2011 10:59 PM
crazystengel
.........And this guy commishes other leagues, so he knows exactly what it means to abandon a team in this kind of shape.

Bra, I had NO idea he was a commish too....
IMO he shouldn't be on the list -in the letter of the law-, but -in the spirit of- he belongs....

He did win the WS (again), but he stayed for 5 years.
He simply took advantage of a very good situation. Well excellent situation......
He made $ during his tenure. Pretty funny....

The trading away of his #1 and #2 hurt. He could have transferred a credit to the commish and all is forgiven, IMO.

As is, I'll probably be the one floating his team next year.
Great Progressive, great group of owners, great commish (you know who you are....), lame situation.
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2/16/2011 11:59 PM
Posted by slickstick81 on 2/16/2011 11:58:00 PM (view original):
If I understand this correctly, the owner inherited a  "powerhouse" club after the 1987 season. 

THEN: Going into the '88 draft, the team payroll was 68M for 20 players.
NOW:   Going into the '93 draft, this team's payroll is 61M for 19 players.

Inherited best multi season players on the team
Roger Clemens, Ryne Sandberg, Paul Molitor, Kent Hrbek

Current best multi season players on the team
Roger Clemens, Juan Guzman, Kirby Puckett, Paul Molitor, Mickey Tettleton

The owner of this inherited "powerhouse" team has
traded away it's 1st rd pick every season dating back 
to the '89 draft.

The owner has traded away
it's 2nd rd pick in all drafts dating back
to the '89 draft, sans '91 when he selected
3B Leo Gomez, who's best season is yet 
to come in '94.

I would argue that this team is in better shape now,
then when it was inherited.

This owner also stated, he would return if he won the WS.
The owner did  win the WS and will indeed honor his statement.
Well, that was easy...
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2/17/2011 12:23 AM
No, I posted here when you posted in our message forum that you weren't returning.  And when you changed your mind, I posted that too (you didn't exactly say you were returning then, either -- you said you would if you won the WS).

By the way, the team you took over won 108 games the previous season, and 107 the year before that; it wasn't exactly a fixer upper.  Props to you for keeping it going for 5 more seasons, but as you yourself pointed out you traded away a lot of 1st and 2nd rounders to get there, including in next season's draft.  You've got 61M going into the draft, with no picks until #71.  It's only right that you're the owner who's going to be at the reins for the rebuilding phase.
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2/17/2011 1:51 AM
That's wonderful.  I'm glad you've done such a good job with the team and will stick around to reap the rewards of your brilliance.  I look forward to watching your team try to repeat in 1993.
2/17/2011 6:20 PM
Ok, so is slickstick coming back or not?

And BTW I routinely trade away my draftpicks in the 2 progressives I am still in.
There are a ton of factors, most very obvious, but looking over my past 10 progressive seaons, it looks like I trade out of the top 2-3 rounds about 1/2 the time.

At my height of progressives, I was in 10 (2 folded). But like just4me said, I found out what I liked and did not like.
The last 1 I left, due to time constraints was shadow35's. I was one of 4 expansion teams in '69 and left before the '73 season. I was horrid, but left the team w/ a stacked 1970's rotation, a decent offense and the 7th or 8th pick. Sure I'm no saint, but I am also pretty sure I NEVER left my team in a lurch.
Most often, the teams I inherited were on the upswing when I left them.

My only beef was the traded the 1 and 2. Sure they were probably picks 21-24 or 45-48, but they still would be helpfull in rebuilding.

Anyway, lets try and move on from this.....
2/17/2011 7:27 PM
Posted by slickstick81 on 2/16/2011 11:58:00 PM (view original):
If I understand this correctly, the owner inherited a  "powerhouse" club after the 1987 season. 

THEN: Going into the '88 draft, the team payroll was 68M for 20 players.
NOW:   Going into the '93 draft, this team's payroll is 61M for 19 players.

Inherited best multi season players on the team
Roger Clemens, Ryne Sandberg, Paul Molitor, Kent Hrbek

Current best multi season players on the team
Roger Clemens, Juan Guzman, Kirby Puckett, Paul Molitor, Mickey Tettleton

The owner of this inherited "powerhouse" team has
traded away it's 1st rd pick every season dating back 
to the '89 draft.

The owner has traded away
it's 2nd rd pick in all drafts dating back
to the '89 draft, sans '91 when he selected
3B Leo Gomez, who's best season is yet 
to come in '94.

I would argue that this team is in better shape now,
then when it was inherited.

This owner also stated, he would return if he won the WS.
The owner did  win the WS and will indeed honor his statement.
"I would argue that this team is in better shape now,
then when it was inherited."

And I would argue that statement is ridiculous.....you inherited a team with 3 HOF's in the prime of their careers..... you're leaving it with Juan Guzman and Mickey Tettleton?  Come on man,   that core isn't awful but it isn't any where near what you got.


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