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10/17/2012 9:52 PM
>> Uh, you do realize that just because you're increasing bids by 10k at 10 AM that there's no guarantee that anyone else is doing the same at the same time, right? <<

Mike, if you want to continue the exchange of ideas, it will go better if you assume those magical smart people who know how to do things you don't, like make millions of websites do thousands of things more complicated than that, will be able to deal with simple details like those.  OK?

>> You know what would make me quit the game?  Getting shut out of FA because I withdrew a third bid. <<

It could be clearly posted & explained. You'd get warning messages. Nobody believes you'd quit.  At least not over that. You just wouldn't do it.  Like 99% of everyone else.

10/17/2012 9:57 PM

Here's the thing about arguing with idiots:   You get dumber.    And I have.

The point:  Just because you're playing the exciting game of raising your bid in 10k increments at 2 AM in the morning doesn't mean anyone else is playing at the same time.  You're just doing something by yourself.   There's nothing "thrilling" about that.   Look at porn and jerk off instead.  

10/18/2012 1:37 AM (edited)
What are you talking about? Sober up & try again tomorrow.  You're far from any point I've tried to make.  If you're out of ideas, or this has gotten t0o complex for you, just say so or drop it.

How about this - I posted 5 questions you could answer Agree or Disagree.  Why don't you humor your fans & reply to those?

10/17/2012 10:59 PM (edited)
Posted by tufft on 10/17/2012 6:07:00 PM (view original):
tecwrg - >> How am I disputing that?  That's exactly what I'm saying in the portion of my post that you quoted.<<

You didn't dispute that. My bad for missing that. There is SO much wrong about what else you're posting, I missed one line of fact.  My bad.

I conceded that's not the biggest problem. You want to keep going over that & ignore all of the other things you're wrong about, fine.

You ignored more relevant questions, so I'll see if I can get you to answer those. You seem to at least be trying to think this through.

(1) HBD is dying. Many people who leave the game leave because it takes too much time.  There would be a benefit in changing FA bidding so it remains strategic, fun, AND takes less time.  More people would stick with the game if it took less time to play.  -- Agree or Disagree?

(2) The current system rewards the ability to check in every 4 hours, 365 days a year, over all else by a LOT.  Not everyone can do that.  For every person who can do that, and would like to play HBD, there are probably 10-100 that can't invest the time to compete 24/7/365. There is of course a strategy to the current system.  But there are other systems that also have strategies, that reward smart play, AND that would take a whole lot less time than the current system.  -- Agree or Disagree?

(3) Real time is the way the internet works.  Batching up instructions and getting feedback hours later (that you have to go get -- it's not even sent to you) is a model that exists, rounding off, nowhere else on the internet.  Many people won't or can't interact with a game that way.  But none of that matters. There is no way HBD FA bidding could ever have real time feedback with more complete information.  Sure, it works on every other website, but it's just not possible in HBD.  --   Agree or Disagree?

(4) The HBD FA bidding system exists, rounding off, nowhere else, online or offline.  Make a blind bid. Never know the current top bid, so you're always bidding blind. Go out of your way a few hours later to find out what little info you can get.  Repeat.  Arbitrarily, at some point, a winner is declared.  No fixed set of rules. As this model is unique, it stands to reason that is it either brilliant and a whole new way to hold an effective & efficient auction, or crap idea that successful businesses of all types have stayed away from . Closer to what end of the scale do you think it sits?

(5) Years of proof that GMs will, in the current system, bid what many experienced GMs would agree is way too much for a player. That player, or a comparable player could have been had for less. The HBD-proven result of this is GMs quit their team or HBD.  Leaving harder to fill teams behind.  You're saying you think this is ether good for HBD, or it's the only way it could ever work. Like gravity, it's just part of the way it is & we have to live with it. Change is not good idea or possible. -- Agree or Disagree.


Since I'm so "wrong" about everything I'm posting, I'm not sure you'll find any value in any answers I give to your questions.  Plus I'm sure that any answers I give will just give you more cause to be argumentative.  For God's sake, even the way you've worded the questions is argumentative.

So why should I waste either of our times?  You obviously have this all figured out.

10/17/2012 11:36 PM
Horrible idea.   Sounds like someone wants to be able to oversimplify an aspect of the game that he possibly struggles with rather than learnor work at to improve,   OP's suggestion removes strategy as it limits the risk reward aspect of the game.    Take away strategy and consequences of decisions and it turns into Madden on rookie mode, something that gets old very quickly.
10/18/2012 1:22 AM
bfk - Thanks for joining the conversation.

Why don't you click on my username and see how much I'm struggling with HBD. I don't win the WS every season, but I seem to do OK. Then maybe you can put that bias aside.  That is not what this is about.

I've broken the issue down to 5 points, questions. or topics. You could respond to those. Agreed or disagree, add comments.

Or you can leave it at "horrible idea". Because that really demonstrates you've thought the idea all the way through.

If you have a specific criticism or better idea, or just like it better the way it is, I'd be interested to know. But I'd like to know why, if you could add that.

10/18/2012 1:36 AM
tecwrg - Most of your input has been - and I'll paraphrase -"It's a bad idea because it's a bad idea" and "It won't work because it won't work'. And then calling me names when I ask specific questions.  You're doing exactly what internet forums were created for.  Good on you!

I think you've made it clear you agree with (5).  That HBD should follow MLB as closely as possible in this area, and if that results in some GMs paying so much for FAs that it cripples teams and there are more hard to fill teams, that's just necessary & reality collateral damage.

Honestly, I don't strongly disagree with you on that one. I'm not even sure I disagree at all. I'm making a case that there might be other or better ways. Pros & cons to the way it works now and to a possible change.

I'm just trying to force some degree of honesty into the discussion.  There is a price to pay for the game working the way it does. I do believe that without some changes the game is going to die.  Your worlds will be among the last survivors.  If you're OK with that, I can't argue.  I'd rather the game continues.
10/18/2012 7:00 AM
Posted by tufft on 10/18/2012 1:37:00 AM (view original):
What are you talking about? Sober up & try again tomorrow.  You're far from any point I've tried to make.  If you're out of ideas, or this has gotten t0o complex for you, just say so or drop it.

How about this - I posted 5 questions you could answer Agree or Disagree.  Why don't you humor your fans & reply to those?

How about you be brief and I'll read your nonsense?

The "excitement" you get by real time bidding is a solo act.   No one is bidding against you in that moment.    Do you really not understand this?
10/18/2012 3:37 PM (edited)
Posted by tufft on 10/18/2012 1:36:00 AM (view original):
tecwrg - Most of your input has been - and I'll paraphrase -"It's a bad idea because it's a bad idea" and "It won't work because it won't work'. And then calling me names when I ask specific questions.  You're doing exactly what internet forums were created for.  Good on you!

I think you've made it clear you agree with (5).  That HBD should follow MLB as closely as possible in this area, and if that results in some GMs paying so much for FAs that it cripples teams and there are more hard to fill teams, that's just necessary & reality collateral damage.

Honestly, I don't strongly disagree with you on that one. I'm not even sure I disagree at all. I'm making a case that there might be other or better ways. Pros & cons to the way it works now and to a possible change.

I'm just trying to force some degree of honesty into the discussion.  There is a price to pay for the game working the way it does. I do believe that without some changes the game is going to die.  Your worlds will be among the last survivors.  If you're OK with that, I can't argue.  I'd rather the game continues.
You've become one of the classic Suggestion Forum subspecies: "The Crybaby".  You made a suggestion that you feel is absolutely brilliant, you have seen literally everybody who has commented on it tell you that it's a horrible idea, some of whom have specifically told you why, and then you disregard or flat-out deny all the reasons given while insisting that nobody has provided a valid counter argument to your awesome suggestion.  You're like the five year old stomping around the kitchen in anger because mommy won't let you have a second piece of candy.

Let's review the feedback from everybody who has commented on your amazing brilliant suggestion so far:

MikeT23: "you should know why that won't work"

tecwrg: "Proxy bidding dumbs down the game, and takes the strategy out of FA bidding"

usfbully: "The people have spoken. Dumb idea." and "The Ebay system would be retarded in this game."

damag: "Real time bidding would allow a guy like me to pretty much control the FA market in a league if I put enough time and effort into it."

kcden: "This, in fact, is a terrible idea."

deathinahole: "Can we just cut to "it's a bad idea"?"

bfkfraser: "Horrible idea." and "OP's suggestion removes strategy as it limits the risk reward aspect of the game."

unsub: "First of all, Bad idea." and "HBD FA is NOT the same thing as me selling a toaster on E-bay! It is, in fact, completely different. FA is NOT an auction." and "this is a horrible plan."

mongoose_22: "This is a terrible idea."

You say that you want "to force some degree of honesty into the discussion".  Maybe you can start by being honest with yourself and realizing that maybe it's not quite the absolutely amazingly super-awesomely brilliant idea that you think it is.

Now if you want to continue this argument, I'll be glad to do it, but only through my proxy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
10/18/2012 8:11 AM
tuft should counter that post by quoting all the users who agreed that it's a fantastic idea.
10/18/2012 12:01 PM
First of all, Bad idea.

HBD FA is NOT the same thing as me selling a toaster on E-bay! It is, in fact, completely different. FA is NOT an auction. For instant, the author of this horrible thread, seem not to have a clue about buyers and sellers. The buyers are the owners of the franchise. We can clear that up now. The sellers are not somebody hoping they can get $50 bucks for their used vacuum. The sellers are the FA themselves. Sellers want to get the most money possible and buyers want to spend the lease possible if I am correct.

So, as a seller, why would I not want to get overpaid? Getting overpaid is good for the seller.

Second, this is a horrible plan.
10/18/2012 12:07 PM
Posted by unsub on 10/18/2012 12:01:00 PM (view original):
First of all, Bad idea.

HBD FA is NOT the same thing as me selling a toaster on E-bay! It is, in fact, completely different. FA is NOT an auction. For instant, the author of this horrible thread, seem not to have a clue about buyers and sellers. The buyers are the owners of the franchise. We can clear that up now. The sellers are not somebody hoping they can get $50 bucks for their used vacuum. The sellers are the FA themselves. Sellers want to get the most money possible and buyers want to spend the lease possible if I am correct.

So, as a seller, why would I not want to get overpaid? Getting overpaid is good for the seller.

Second, this is a horrible plan.
When tufft shows up today, he will tell you that you're wrong.
10/18/2012 12:14 PM
Will unsub's post fall under tec's post showing everyone who disagreed with tuft?

Or will tuft add it to his rebuttal with the growing list of zero who agree with him?
10/18/2012 12:24 PM
I've added unsub's post to my post.
10/18/2012 1:02 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 10/18/2012 12:07:00 PM (view original):
Posted by unsub on 10/18/2012 12:01:00 PM (view original):
First of all, Bad idea.

HBD FA is NOT the same thing as me selling a toaster on E-bay! It is, in fact, completely different. FA is NOT an auction. For instant, the author of this horrible thread, seem not to have a clue about buyers and sellers. The buyers are the owners of the franchise. We can clear that up now. The sellers are not somebody hoping they can get $50 bucks for their used vacuum. The sellers are the FA themselves. Sellers want to get the most money possible and buyers want to spend the lease possible if I am correct.

So, as a seller, why would I not want to get overpaid? Getting overpaid is good for the seller.

Second, this is a horrible plan.
When tufft shows up today, he will tell you that you're wrong.
Well, I will look forward to his rebuttal, and I will be well prepared with plenty of information if he chooses.

I am going to play a few rounds of Cursed Treasure.
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