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10/30/2012 3:50 PM
And when Romney wins next Tuesday all these conversations will end.

There is no bias, just bad numbers.

Vote supression changed all the numbers so the polls were not biased.

Racism, dog whistles and Citizens United changed the parameters.

There is no bias.
10/30/2012 6:51 PM
Posted by swamphawk22 on 10/30/2012 3:50:00 PM (view original):
And when Romney wins next Tuesday all these conversations will end.

There is no bias, just bad numbers.

Vote supression changed all the numbers so the polls were not biased.

Racism, dog whistles and Citizens United changed the parameters.

There is no bias.
What a moron....every poll has a bias....it is their voter screen. The question that should be asked is "Is it accurate?" Bias exists in all facets of life and only a fool would claim there is no bias.
10/30/2012 7:16 PM
The left likes to claim no bias. And if you were not so blind you would know that my post was written in the words of the left.

The question is now and always will why do the polls seem to slant to the left almost all the time?

Is the left trying to slant the numbers, or is it an unconcious act of only seeing one point of view?

And all this talk about the polls is going to disappear if Romney wins.

No one is going to do a story about how the media called it to the left again. No one in the media is going to point out that 538 missed slightly to the left again.

11/3/2012 8:19 AM
Just to clarify: regardless of the outcome, you can't really say that Nate Silver is wrong. Right now he is saying that based on the data and simulations he has run there is an 80% chance that Obama wins. If Romney wins it does not prove that Silver was wrong. I would certainly take a 1 in 5 chance of winning PowerBall.  In essence, Silver does the same thing that WIS does when they run a WS, Final 4, Super Bowl "prediction." It's just based on their models and simulations.


Additional point regarding polling...if a poll says Ohio is 50-47 for Obama with a 3% margin of error, that does not mean that it is virtually tied. It means the result with 95% certainty (unless stated otherwise) is anywhere from 53-44 Obama to 50-47 Romney. All of the people nattering on about MOE and it being a virtual tie, are only applying the MOE in one direction...not realizing it could go the other way as well. Anyway, we will all know the result soon enough...hopefully not like 2000.
11/5/2012 1:40 AM
And of course you ducked the main issue.

Why do most polls skew to the left?
11/5/2012 8:07 AM
wtf are you talking about? Did you not understand what i just explained? Pollsters use voter screens of what they anticipate turnout to be. Whoever does the best job anticipating that has the most accurate poll. This "skewing" stuff is BS...different pollsters use different models. Give me evidence that "most polls skew to the left."
11/5/2012 8:07 AM
wtf are you talking about? Did you not understand what i just explained? Pollsters use voter screens of what they anticipate turnout to be. Whoever does the best job anticipating that has the most accurate poll. This "skewing" stuff is BS...different pollsters use different models. Give me evidence that "most polls skew to the left."
11/5/2012 4:06 PM
How about Gallup did about +2% in the 2008 and 2004 elections for Democrats.

11/5/2012 4:34 PM
It is entirely possible that we will be waiting on Ohio for 10+ days after the election. We all got absentee ballot request forms in the mail. Anyone that sent in for an absentee ballot but did not return a ballot can only vote tomorrow with a provisional ballot. By law provisional ballots can't be counted until 10 days after the election. There are an estimated 200k of the absentee ballots that wont be mailed in.
11/5/2012 8:46 PM
Posted by swamphawk22 on 11/5/2012 4:06:00 PM (view original):
How about Gallup did about +2% in the 2008 and 2004 elections for Democrats.

You said "most." You do know what "most" means right?

One example is not even close. And Gallup has been leaning the other direction this time around. Which would support my argument that a poll is only as good as the voter model they use. They can be wrong for reasons other than trying to "skew" the results. Non-partisan pollsters don't have much interest in doing that as it damages their credibility.

11/5/2012 11:52 PM
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11/5/2012 11:56 PM
Dewey defeats Truman
11/6/2012 12:00 AM
Of course, Dewey was a left leaning Repub anyway. Gawdamn commie. Proves your "point".
11/6/2012 8:39 AM
Posted by swamphawk22 on 11/5/2012 11:52:00 PM (view original):
Ha! You should actually read the article.  It said that Reagan was up 5 points in an ABC poll and recent developments with the hostage situation could quickly make poll results obsolete.
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