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10/9/2012 6:50 PM
Posted by swamphawk22 on 10/9/2012 6:45:00 PM (view original):
So again the site provided data about the people Obama has appointed.

Is the information true or false?
The site provided a list of some people that Obama has appointed. The spin on their descriptions is what I question. That's why credibility is important. It's not reasonable for me to fact check that entire page (I wouldn't expect you to do it if I sent you a link from Liberals-R-Us.com), instead I see that the site is providing an opinion on Obama's appointees. I can look at other opinions given on the site and see fairly quickly that the site is bullsh*t.
10/10/2012 3:29 AM
So lets nail a few down.

Cass Sunstein. True that he feels animals should be able to sue and he also seemed to say that we should ban hunting. Seems radical to me.
John Holdren. Did wright a book talking about sterilization, forced abortions. Seems radical
Rosa Brooks. Did call Bush a war criminal and suggest that the war on terror made Al Qafea dangerous.

This is 3 I looked up quick.

This is more crazy than Bachmann ever was. Why dont we ever hear about this? 
10/10/2012 11:30 AM
Posted by swamphawk22 on 10/10/2012 3:29:00 AM (view original):
So lets nail a few down.

Cass Sunstein. True that he feels animals should be able to sue and he also seemed to say that we should ban hunting. Seems radical to me.
John Holdren. Did wright a book talking about sterilization, forced abortions. Seems radical
Rosa Brooks. Did call Bush a war criminal and suggest that the war on terror made Al Qafea dangerous.

This is 3 I looked up quick.

This is more crazy than Bachmann ever was. Why dont we ever hear about this? 
Maybe you should stop getting ALL of your information from conservative nut blogs.

Sunstein: www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jun/13/national-rifle-association/obama-regulatory-cass-sunstein-wants-ban-hunt/

Holdren: www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/29/glenn-beck/glenn-beck-claims-science-czar-john-holdren-propos/

Brooks: mediamatters.org/research/2009/04/24/wash-times-editorial-distorts-rosa-brooks-state/149488

10/10/2012 12:13 PM
1 They seem to agree with me on Sunstein, they just say that the mailer was a little too far, and thay when in a Senate Hearing he backtracked. I stand by that one.

2 Again he did write the book. These are extreme things and he doesnt actually advocate them now, but he supported the issue as something to be taught.

3 This seems to be a matter of degree. She did say it.

So it seems that liberals can say things and get take backs, but Conservatives dont?

This is enough to get a Con declared crazy by Jon Stewart isnt it? 
10/10/2012 12:24 PM
The point is that Obama isn't really extreme. Even the most extreme of his appointments aren't really that extreme. In reality he's a centrist Democrat. But that doesn't fit the narrative of the right (or help Republicans get elected), so instead, he's a liberal radical secular extremist Kenyan Muslim out to take away your bible, your guns, and your freedom and replace it with the Koran and a 100% tax rate.
10/10/2012 1:10 PM
See you are mixing everything that has ever been said about Obama together to give it substance.

In Reality the Birther issue isnt real. More of a distraction like Bush being a war criminal.
And no one really thinks he is Muslim. He does seem to have a more Pro-Arab, less Israeli stance than past Presidents.

He clearly wants to raise taxes and give the government more control over your life. It is more of a European style Socialism than actual Communism though.

And of he is moderate who is extreme? Are there 50 Congressmen to the left of Obama? 
10/10/2012 1:25 PM
Yes, I'd be willing to bet that if we sat down and studied legislative records there are at least 50 congressmen to the left of Obama. Probably more.

From 538 

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/29/how-liberal-is-president-obama/


A system called 
DW-Nominate, developed by a group of six political scientists, rates each member of Congress on a scale from negative 1 (very liberal on economic issues) to positive 1 (very conservative) based on their roll-call votes. The system also creates a score for each president based on cases in which the outcome he desired from a vote in Congress was clearly articulated.

According to the system, the score for the average Democrat in the 111th Congress was -0.382 (negative 0.382), although there was a fairly significant range, from very liberal Democrats like Dennis J. Kucinich (-0.612) and Barbara Lee (-0.743) to moderates like Heath Shuler (-0.100) and Ben Nelson (-0.030).

Mr. Obama’s score of -0.399 was very close to the average, splitting the difference between his party’s liberal and moderate wings. He typically leaves some room to his left. On initiatives ranging from health care to financial regulation, members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, as well as many liberal bloggers, thinkers and activists, have complained that his positions concede too much to the Republicans. But Mr. Obama’s positions also generally draw some complaints from moderate, Blue Dog Democrats, and do not always win their votes.

Mr. Obama’s positions are also broadly in line with the median Democratic voter. According to polling conducted by Public Policy Polling, a Democratic-leaning firm, 70 percent of Democrats think Mr. Obama’s positions are “about right”, and those who disagreed were about as likely to say he was too conservative (12 percent) as too liberal (14 percent).

10/10/2012 7:31 PM

This seems a little odd to me.

First I believe this is only economic issues. It says it in the line after the DW-Nominate link.

So they Rank Roosevelt as more conservative and Clinton as more liberal??

10/10/2012 9:45 PM
It clearly shows that Obama isn't extreme or a radical. He's less liberal than Clinton and closer to the center than any Republican president since Eisenhower.
10/11/2012 4:00 AM
I think whatever methodology they used gets called into question.

Roosevelt to the right...then Obama...Than Clinton farthest to the left??
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10/11/2012 11:28 AM
Posted by swamphawk22 on 10/11/2012 4:00:00 AM (view original):
I think whatever methodology they used gets called into question.

Roosevelt to the right...then Obama...Than Clinton farthest to the left??
You think it's wrong based on your gut. The whole point of studies like this is to remove gut feelings.
10/11/2012 5:53 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 10/11/2012 11:28:00 AM (view original):
Posted by swamphawk22 on 10/11/2012 4:00:00 AM (view original):
I think whatever methodology they used gets called into question.

Roosevelt to the right...then Obama...Than Clinton farthest to the left??
You think it's wrong based on your gut. The whole point of studies like this is to remove gut feelings.
If someone did a study and told you that over the last 10 years the Detroit Lions have been a better team than the New England Patriots you would laugh your ***  off.

Their methodology is bad. I can stop 100 members of congress at random and ask them to put FDR, Obama and Cliton on a economic scale I can guarantee almost all would put FDR to the left.
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10/11/2012 6:37 PM
Posted by swamphawk22 on 10/11/2012 5:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 10/11/2012 11:28:00 AM (view original):
Posted by swamphawk22 on 10/11/2012 4:00:00 AM (view original):
I think whatever methodology they used gets called into question.

Roosevelt to the right...then Obama...Than Clinton farthest to the left??
You think it's wrong based on your gut. The whole point of studies like this is to remove gut feelings.
If someone did a study and told you that over the last 10 years the Detroit Lions have been a better team than the New England Patriots you would laugh your ***  off.

Their methodology is bad. I can stop 100 members of congress at random and ask them to put FDR, Obama and Cliton on a economic scale I can guarantee almost all would put FDR to the left.
But we could easily look up the win loss records for both teams and see that as false.

Again, your 100 member survey is going to be based on gut feelings. Not facts.
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