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5/13/2013 5:07 PM
Bad_Luck : "If Bush gets bad military intel, and acts on it (WMD), he's a stupid president.  But if Obama gets good military intel, doesn't act on it, then lies about it after people get killed, but tells the truth a couple of years later, he's cool."
5/13/2013 5:13 PM
No. I'd be mad that she ****** around. You see how that's different right? Obama admin didn't cause the attack. Or cover up the attack. They might have told a lie after the fact (or they really didn't know what caused the attack 4 hours after).
5/13/2013 5:14 PM
Posted by toddcommish on 5/13/2013 5:07:00 PM (view original):
Bad_Luck : "If Bush gets bad military intel, and acts on it (WMD), he's a stupid president.  But if Obama gets good military intel, doesn't act on it, then lies about it after people get killed, but tells the truth a couple of years later, he's cool."
We started a war based on that bad WMD intel.

What exactly are you accusing Obama of doing, here? Not preventing the attack on the embassy when he could have?
5/13/2013 8:18 PM
Let's not play dumb.  The issue is that it happened in the middle of an election.  True or not, failing to thwart a terrorist attack makes a president look soft on defense.  A protest gone wrong is a horrible, unforeseeable accident.  One is more palatable for the electorate, logical or not.  By itself, Benghazi is a borderline non-story to me, outside of the lack of security preparation.  Taken with the recent revelations that, in that same election year, the IRS specifically targeted Republican groups for additional scrutiny AND the Justice Department had wire taps on AP phone lines, it seems like we can believe one of three things:

1) The administration used undue influence in an effort to win an election

2) The administration is inept, in that it has no idea what is going on in its own Cabinet departments

3) The administration suffered a series of unfortunate incidents, compounded by uncommonly bad judgment, at a horribly inopportune time

I could lean towards 3 on the Benghazi "cover-up" alone.  Taken as a whole, I'm finding it hard to lean that way right now.  And it's hard to be happy with choices 1 or 2.
5/13/2013 8:27 PM
Ok, Glenn Beck.
5/13/2013 8:58 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 5/13/2013 8:27:00 PM (view original):
Ok, Glenn Beck.
OK, Obama apologist.
5/13/2013 9:00 PM
Posted by examinerebb on 5/13/2013 8:18:00 PM (view original):
Let's not play dumb.  The issue is that it happened in the middle of an election.  True or not, failing to thwart a terrorist attack makes a president look soft on defense.  A protest gone wrong is a horrible, unforeseeable accident.  One is more palatable for the electorate, logical or not.  By itself, Benghazi is a borderline non-story to me, outside of the lack of security preparation.  Taken with the recent revelations that, in that same election year, the IRS specifically targeted Republican groups for additional scrutiny AND the Justice Department had wire taps on AP phone lines, it seems like we can believe one of three things:

1) The administration used undue influence in an effort to win an election

2) The administration is inept, in that it has no idea what is going on in its own Cabinet departments

3) The administration suffered a series of unfortunate incidents, compounded by uncommonly bad judgment, at a horribly inopportune time

I could lean towards 3 on the Benghazi "cover-up" alone.  Taken as a whole, I'm finding it hard to lean that way right now.  And it's hard to be happy with choices 1 or 2.
The past couple of days are starting to make the Nixon administration look good in hindsight.
5/13/2013 9:21 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 5/13/2013 8:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/13/2013 8:27:00 PM (view original):
Ok, Glenn Beck.
OK, Obama apologist.
No, Obama deserves blame for plenty of things, including being caught in a lie about Benghazi, but you're delusional (or extremely gullible) if you think it rises to the level of Watergate or some sort of massive government conspiracy.
5/13/2013 9:43 PM
Chicago politics. 
5/14/2013 8:28 AM
Posted by bad_luck on 5/13/2013 4:37:00 PM (view original):
Because it is a non-story. How does the admission of a lie told after the fact bring any closure?
It may or may not bring closure, but when you are caught in a lie you have two options: A) Come clean and take your lumps, which shows at least some level of conscience, or B)  double down on your deceit and shout stuff like " What difference, at this point, does it make"? (Which is a Hillary quote from the Senate hearings that is eerily similar to your apathetic replies yesterday).

I suppose the IRS story isn't scandalous either, nor the DOJ/AP story?

Please amuse us all and explain how all three stories are "non issues and "right wing smoke"
5/14/2013 8:43 AM (edited)
Posted by bad_luck on 5/13/2013 9:21:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 5/13/2013 8:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/13/2013 8:27:00 PM (view original):
Ok, Glenn Beck.
OK, Obama apologist.
No, Obama deserves blame for plenty of things, including being caught in a lie about Benghazi, but you're delusional (or extremely gullible) if you think it rises to the level of Watergate or some sort of massive government conspiracy.
It may not rise to the level of Watergate, but as examinerebb points out, either the Obama Administration is abusing it's power by having the IRS specifically target political opponents and having the DOJ collect phone records on the media, or it's horribly inept in knowing and controlling what it's subordinates are doing.

Neither one puts the Obama Administration in a good light.
5/14/2013 9:42 AM
Most epic fail of all-time?


http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/TransparencyandOpenGovernment

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I direct the Chief Technology Officer, in coordination with the Director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) and the Administrator of General Services, to coordinate the development by appropriate executive departments and agencies, within 120 days, of recommendations for an Open Government Directive, to be issued by the Director of OMB, that instructs executive departments and agencies to take specific actions implementing the principles set forth in this memorandum. The independent agencies should comply with the Open Government Directive.

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BARACK OBAMA

5/14/2013 10:18 AM
Posted by tecwrg on 5/14/2013 8:43:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/13/2013 9:21:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 5/13/2013 8:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/13/2013 8:27:00 PM (view original):
Ok, Glenn Beck.
OK, Obama apologist.
No, Obama deserves blame for plenty of things, including being caught in a lie about Benghazi, but you're delusional (or extremely gullible) if you think it rises to the level of Watergate or some sort of massive government conspiracy.
It may not rise to the level of Watergate, but as examinerebb points out, either the Obama Administration is abusing it's power by having the IRS specifically target political opponents and having the DOJ collect phone records on the media, or it's horribly inept in knowing and controlling what it's subordinates are doing.

Neither one puts the Obama Administration in a good light.
The IRS thing is a separate scandal and possibly a much bigger deal. Benghazi just isn't a scandal and they aren't connected.
5/14/2013 10:23 AM
Well, they're not connected unless the OA was involved with shady activity in both.

And it appears they were.
5/14/2013 11:03 AM
The fact that CIA was involved in Benghazi doesn't make it a scandal. The IRS thing definitely has scandal possibility, with or without CIA involvement.
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