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2/27/2013 12:16 AM
I don't think people care about that.  Polls are anonymous.
2/27/2013 5:56 AM
Posted by stinenavy on 2/26/2013 10:31:00 PM (view original):
Polls show more blame on the Republicans for the sequester. Obama consistently asks for a mix of spending cuts and tax increases. Republicans keep a hard line stance of no tax increases.
That's complete bullshit.  What spending cuts has Obama offered?  

The Republicans put tax increases on the table.  Obama's response has basically been "That's a start.  Give me more".
2/27/2013 8:49 AM
Posted by dahsdebater on 2/27/2013 12:16:00 AM (view original):
I don't think people care about that.  Polls are anonymous.
So are the ones that ask "How many times a week do you have sex?"     People who NEVER have sex say "3-4 times" because they don't want the pollster to think they never get laid. 
2/27/2013 8:56 AM
Mike should know.
2/27/2013 9:27 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/26/2013 10:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/26/2013 10:07:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/26/2013 9:04:00 PM (view original):
This:  "hope the economy grows"

**** hope.  Give me a plan.
If the economy doesn't grow we're ****** regardless of the deficit.
So what part of "**** hope.  Give me a plan" confused you?

You're the one who said "hope the economy grows"

I'm a little tired of "Let's do this and hope it works!!!!"
If the plan is "cut spending" then we're ****** because that will negatively affect the economy.
2/27/2013 9:43 AM
Posted by bad_luck on 2/27/2013 9:27:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/26/2013 10:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/26/2013 10:07:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/26/2013 9:04:00 PM (view original):
This:  "hope the economy grows"

**** hope.  Give me a plan.
If the economy doesn't grow we're ****** regardless of the deficit.
So what part of "**** hope.  Give me a plan" confused you?

You're the one who said "hope the economy grows"

I'm a little tired of "Let's do this and hope it works!!!!"
If the plan is "cut spending" then we're ****** because that will negatively affect the economy.
Do you think it matters what gets cut?   Or do you believe any cut at all will negatively affect the economy?

If that's what you think, that's pretty dumb.

As I said "**** hope.  Give me a plan."    Said plan can include cuts that won't negatively affect the economy, don't you think?
2/27/2013 11:42 AM
Why focus on cuts now? Does reducing the deficit benefit the economy?
2/27/2013 11:49 AM
Posted by bad_luck on 2/27/2013 11:42:00 AM (view original):
Why focus on cuts now? Does reducing the deficit benefit the economy?
Would the United States getting a credit rating downgrade benefit the economy?
2/27/2013 11:59 AM
Posted by tecwrg on 2/27/2013 11:49:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/27/2013 11:42:00 AM (view original):
Why focus on cuts now? Does reducing the deficit benefit the economy?
Would the United States getting a credit rating downgrade benefit the economy?
No, it wouldn't. But it isn't the deficit itself that causes the downgrade, it's the belief that the government is so dysfunctional that instead of working things out in a rational way, the politicians will allow us to hit the debt ceiling and default on obligations.
2/27/2013 12:15 PM (edited)
Posted by stinenavy on 2/26/2013 10:31:00 PM (view original):
Polls show more blame on the Republicans for the sequester. Obama consistently asks for a mix of spending cuts and tax increases. Republicans keep a hard line stance of no tax increases.
Pubs keep a hard line on no tax increases because tax revenue is NOT the problem. Spending is the problem. Obama and the Dems who want government to control everything, taking away are freedoms, don't get it. During the Bush presidency Congress added $4 Trillion over 8 years. Not Good. During the 4 years under Obama Congress added $6 Trillion. That is 3 times as much spending in Obama's first 4 years as what happened under Bush. What part of TOO MUCH SPENDING don't they understand?
2/27/2013 12:27 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 2/27/2013 11:59:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 2/27/2013 11:49:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/27/2013 11:42:00 AM (view original):
Why focus on cuts now? Does reducing the deficit benefit the economy?
Would the United States getting a credit rating downgrade benefit the economy?
No, it wouldn't. But it isn't the deficit itself that causes the downgrade, it's the belief that the government is so dysfunctional that instead of working things out in a rational way, the politicians will allow us to hit the debt ceiling and default on obligations.
You don't think our government is dysfunctional now, by doing nothing but fingerpointing at the other side?

Your "solution" is to still do nothing, but without the fingerpointing?

Will that make us somehow magically look better, with the debt continuing to spin out of control?

Are you Captain Smith, directing the Titanic band to keep playing while the ship is going under?
2/27/2013 12:39 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 2/27/2013 5:56:00 AM (view original):
Posted by stinenavy on 2/26/2013 10:31:00 PM (view original):
Polls show more blame on the Republicans for the sequester. Obama consistently asks for a mix of spending cuts and tax increases. Republicans keep a hard line stance of no tax increases.
That's complete bullshit.  What spending cuts has Obama offered?  

The Republicans put tax increases on the table.  Obama's response has basically been "That's a start.  Give me more".
Republicans have not put tax increases on the table for the sequester. They've been grandstanding on taxes the whole way.

www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/deficit_reduction_table_bucketed_r8.pdf
2/27/2013 12:51 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 2/27/2013 12:27:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/27/2013 11:59:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 2/27/2013 11:49:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/27/2013 11:42:00 AM (view original):
Why focus on cuts now? Does reducing the deficit benefit the economy?
Would the United States getting a credit rating downgrade benefit the economy?
No, it wouldn't. But it isn't the deficit itself that causes the downgrade, it's the belief that the government is so dysfunctional that instead of working things out in a rational way, the politicians will allow us to hit the debt ceiling and default on obligations.
You don't think our government is dysfunctional now, by doing nothing but fingerpointing at the other side?

Your "solution" is to still do nothing, but without the fingerpointing?

Will that make us somehow magically look better, with the debt continuing to spin out of control?

Are you Captain Smith, directing the Titanic band to keep playing while the ship is going under?
Our government is dysfunctional but deficits financed at a near zero interest rate are manageable and don't affect our credit rating. Playing chicken with the debt ceiling is what earned us a credit downgrade.

Cutting spending to shrink the deficit is a short term negative for the economy. A better solution is to allow the economy to fully recover (which will take care of a lot of the deficit) and then get the budget trimmed.
2/27/2013 12:53 PM
Republicans put up tax increases in the "fiscal cliff" crisis in December.  Obama did not offer any spending cuts at that point.  Now, for the "sequestor", Obama is demanding more tax increases while refusing to offer any spending cuts.
2/27/2013 12:58 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 2/27/2013 12:51:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 2/27/2013 12:27:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/27/2013 11:59:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 2/27/2013 11:49:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/27/2013 11:42:00 AM (view original):
Why focus on cuts now? Does reducing the deficit benefit the economy?
Would the United States getting a credit rating downgrade benefit the economy?
No, it wouldn't. But it isn't the deficit itself that causes the downgrade, it's the belief that the government is so dysfunctional that instead of working things out in a rational way, the politicians will allow us to hit the debt ceiling and default on obligations.
You don't think our government is dysfunctional now, by doing nothing but fingerpointing at the other side?

Your "solution" is to still do nothing, but without the fingerpointing?

Will that make us somehow magically look better, with the debt continuing to spin out of control?

Are you Captain Smith, directing the Titanic band to keep playing while the ship is going under?
Our government is dysfunctional but deficits financed at a near zero interest rate are manageable and don't affect our credit rating. Playing chicken with the debt ceiling is what earned us a credit downgrade.

Cutting spending to shrink the deficit is a short term negative for the economy. A better solution is to allow the economy to fully recover (which will take care of a lot of the deficit) and then get the budget trimmed.
Who or what defines a "fully recovered" economy?  Because one can define things in such a way that we never get there, and our deficit continues to rise out of control.

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