6/23/2013 10:10 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 6/23/2013 9:57:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/23/2013 9:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 6/23/2013 9:48:00 PM (view original):
It's Game 7 of the World Series.  In the bottom of the first inning, somebody runs on the field to the pitcher's mound, pulls out a gun, and blows the pitchers brains out in front of 50,000 eyewitnesses and millions of people watching on TV.

Is he a convicted murderer at that point in time?
No, but you could consider him a murderer before the verdict was read.

Because you have a brain capable of forming opinions based on the facts available. Well, at least I thought you did. Maybe I was wrong.
Wouldn't be the first time you were wrong about something in this thread.
Way to dodge.

A law violating the first amendment is always unconstitutional. As is a law violating the tenth. Even if the Supreme Court hasn't ruled yet.
6/23/2013 10:14 PM
So if a law that YOU deem to be unconstitutional is ultimately upheld by SCOTUS, then is it constitutional or unconstitutional?
6/23/2013 10:15 PM
And speaking of dodging . . . is the guy in my example a convicted murderer as soon as the crime is committed?  You haven't answered.
6/23/2013 10:51 PM
Holy ******* ****.

Is OJ Simpson a murderer? There's evidence suggesting he is. But the courts didn't say he was. So is he, yes or no?

Is DOMA unconstitutional? There's a theory suggesting it probably is. But the courts haven't said it is. So is it, yes or no?

"Unconstitutional" doesn't necessarily mean "as ruled by SCOTUS." In the same way people will judge Ray Lewis, or Aaron Hernandez, or George Zimmerman as murderers, even though the court system hasn't necessarily agreed with them, at least yet for some of those guys. The wall youre both banging your heads against is essentially arguing semantics.
6/23/2013 10:55 PM
If DOMA is upheld by SCOTUS, would it be unconstitutional?
6/23/2013 10:59 PM
Is OJ Simpson a murderer?
6/23/2013 11:02 PM
You first.
6/23/2013 11:03 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 6/23/2013 10:14:00 PM (view original):
So if a law that YOU deem to be unconstitutional is ultimately upheld by SCOTUS, then is it constitutional or unconstitutional?
If the court holds up the law, then I was wrong and it's constitutional.

That's the chance you take when you form an opinion.
6/23/2013 11:04 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 6/23/2013 10:15:00 PM (view original):
And speaking of dodging . . . is the guy in my example a convicted murderer as soon as the crime is committed?  You haven't answered.
He isn't convicted until the verdict is read. Convicted is a matter of fact. But, in my opinion, he'd be a murderer even before he was convicted.
6/23/2013 11:06 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 6/23/2013 11:03:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 6/23/2013 10:14:00 PM (view original):
So if a law that YOU deem to be unconstitutional is ultimately upheld by SCOTUS, then is it constitutional or unconstitutional?
If the court holds up the law, then I was wrong and it's constitutional.

That's the chance you take when you form an opinion.
So if the court upholds the law and it's constitutional, then is it constitutional before they make their ruling?
6/23/2013 11:08 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 6/23/2013 11:02:00 PM (view original):
You first.
It's an opinion, and that's the point. If SCOTUS uphelds DOMA, people will argue that the law is still unconstitutional, meaning the law goes against what the constitution says the federal government can do. They will argue SCOTUS got it wrong. But it's an opinion. In th same way that many people think that OJ Simpson is a murderer, despite being acquitted.
6/23/2013 11:09 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 6/23/2013 11:06:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/23/2013 11:03:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 6/23/2013 10:14:00 PM (view original):
So if a law that YOU deem to be unconstitutional is ultimately upheld by SCOTUS, then is it constitutional or unconstitutional?
If the court holds up the law, then I was wrong and it's constitutional.

That's the chance you take when you form an opinion.
So if the court upholds the law and it's constitutional, then is it constitutional before they make their ruling?
Yes, in that case, a law held up by SCOTUS as constitutional was constitutional the entire time. And vice versa. A law ruled unconstitutional was unconstitutional the entire time.
6/24/2013 6:40 AM
OK.  What about a law that YOU feel is unconstitutional that is never challenged in court, or never makes it as far as SCOTUS for a ruling?  Constitutional or unconstitutional?
6/24/2013 7:28 AM (edited)
As I said, it's an opinion. It might be a ****** opinion if the law is never challenged in court.
6/24/2013 8:01 AM
Should I read back or should I just assume BL has argued that no Federal law has existed concerning SSM?
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