7/16/2013 5:28 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 7/16/2013 5:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 7/16/2013 3:49:00 PM (view original):
I have a hypothetical.

What if, during the struggle, Martin took the gun away and shot Zimmerman. Two questions: do you think he would have walked free? Do you think he should have walked free?
Mike, I'm curious what your answers are.
Due to the trial, I know the laws as they applied to the case in question.   I do not know the laws as they apply to your hypothetical.
7/16/2013 5:49 PM
You won't even guess/give an opinion?
7/16/2013 9:53 PM
CNN BREAKING NEWS: Juror from Zimmerman trial: Holdout "wanted to find him guilty of something, but couldn't" under the law.

Sounds like bad_luck was on the jury.
7/16/2013 9:54 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 7/16/2013 1:11:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 7/16/2013 12:58:00 PM (view original):
In my opinion, the racism is obvious. Why are you so stupid?
Hypothetical situation:

Two guys jump a third dude as he exits a bar at 2am, and beat the **** out of him.

Is that racially motivated?
Did BL ever answer this?
7/16/2013 9:55 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 7/16/2013 2:47:00 PM (view original):
Exactly which of his "unreasonable actions" were criminal?
Or this?
7/16/2013 10:04 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/16/2013 2:22:00 PM (view original):
BTW, that was AFTER he told her "Some crazy-*** cracker is following me".

Who do you really think initiated the physical confrontation?
If someone was following you(you're doing nothing wrong), confronted you, and then you saw he had a gun, what would you do?  Does the "Stand your Ground" law apply against Zimmerman in that situation? 
7/16/2013 10:15 PM
Posted by The Taint on 7/16/2013 10:04:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/16/2013 2:22:00 PM (view original):
BTW, that was AFTER he told her "Some crazy-*** cracker is following me".

Who do you really think initiated the physical confrontation?
If someone was following you(you're doing nothing wrong), confronted you, and then you saw he had a gun, what would you do?  Does the "Stand your Ground" law apply against Zimmerman in that situation? 
I imagine it depends on what you mean by "confront"
7/16/2013 10:16 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/16/2013 5:27:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 7/16/2013 5:23:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/16/2013 4:57:00 PM (view original):
Even if he did, is it a crime for a neighborhood watch member to profile?
As I said earlier, no.
So your point is....?
BL mentioned that GZ's actions were racial.  I agreed that he was likely racially profiling.  Then you got started arguing.  
7/16/2013 10:26 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 7/16/2013 10:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by The Taint on 7/16/2013 10:04:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/16/2013 2:22:00 PM (view original):
BTW, that was AFTER he told her "Some crazy-*** cracker is following me".

Who do you really think initiated the physical confrontation?
If someone was following you(you're doing nothing wrong), confronted you, and then you saw he had a gun, what would you do?  Does the "Stand your Ground" law apply against Zimmerman in that situation? 
I imagine it depends on what you mean by "confront"
That's the thing, the law is so ambiguous.  According to the law, I only have to reasonably feel like there is an unlawful threat against my person.  If I'm accosted by a person wearing a gun, that doesn't have a badge, and he's up in my business, I'm probably going to reasonably feel unsafe.
7/16/2013 11:39 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 7/16/2013 9:54:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 7/16/2013 1:11:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 7/16/2013 12:58:00 PM (view original):
In my opinion, the racism is obvious. Why are you so stupid?
Hypothetical situation:

Two guys jump a third dude as he exits a bar at 2am, and beat the **** out of him.

Is that racially motivated?
Did BL ever answer this?
The answer is I don't know.

If Martin had taken the gun away from Zimmerman and killed him, do you think he should have been acquitted also?
7/17/2013 7:08 AM
Posted by The Taint on 7/16/2013 10:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 7/16/2013 10:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by The Taint on 7/16/2013 10:04:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/16/2013 2:22:00 PM (view original):
BTW, that was AFTER he told her "Some crazy-*** cracker is following me".

Who do you really think initiated the physical confrontation?
If someone was following you(you're doing nothing wrong), confronted you, and then you saw he had a gun, what would you do?  Does the "Stand your Ground" law apply against Zimmerman in that situation? 
I imagine it depends on what you mean by "confront"
That's the thing, the law is so ambiguous.  According to the law, I only have to reasonably feel like there is an unlawful threat against my person.  If I'm accosted by a person wearing a gun, that doesn't have a badge, and he's up in my business, I'm probably going to reasonably feel unsafe.
Ever had a gun pulled on you?   I have more than once.   My thought wasn't "I'm gonna punch this guy".  It was "How the **** do I get out of the line of fire without getting shot in the back."
7/17/2013 7:19 AM
Posted by bad_luck on 7/16/2013 11:39:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 7/16/2013 9:54:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 7/16/2013 1:11:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 7/16/2013 12:58:00 PM (view original):
In my opinion, the racism is obvious. Why are you so stupid?
Hypothetical situation:

Two guys jump a third dude as he exits a bar at 2am, and beat the **** out of him.

Is that racially motivated?
Did BL ever answer this?
The answer is I don't know.

If Martin had taken the gun away from Zimmerman and killed him, do you think he should have been acquitted also?
Just knowing that "person A shot and killed person B" doesn't tell me enough to determine guilt or innocence.
7/17/2013 7:44 AM
Posted by The Taint on 7/16/2013 10:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 7/16/2013 10:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by The Taint on 7/16/2013 10:04:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/16/2013 2:22:00 PM (view original):
BTW, that was AFTER he told her "Some crazy-*** cracker is following me".

Who do you really think initiated the physical confrontation?
If someone was following you(you're doing nothing wrong), confronted you, and then you saw he had a gun, what would you do?  Does the "Stand your Ground" law apply against Zimmerman in that situation? 
I imagine it depends on what you mean by "confront"
That's the thing, the law is so ambiguous.  According to the law, I only have to reasonably feel like there is an unlawful threat against my person.  If I'm accosted by a person wearing a gun, that doesn't have a badge, and he's up in my business, I'm probably going to reasonably feel unsafe.
I'd agree it isn't the best law. I guess a jury has to figure out if the person was reasonably in danger? What was said? What did the person do, exactly?

If an angry person with a gun approaches me, I'm probably not going to be confrontational and will figure out how to get out of the situation without being hurt.
7/17/2013 8:11 AM
It's almost like you guys can't figure things out on your own.    Someone yelling at you is not a threat to your well-being.  Someone following you is not a threat to your well-being.    Someone punching you in the face is a threat to your well-being. 

Zimmerman did not pull the gun on Martin and violence ensued.   Violence occurred, Zimmerman pulled his gun.  ****, we're not talking about a 10 year old kid being questioned by a man.    Who amongst us, when they were 17, didn't think they were a man?
7/17/2013 8:15 AM
Posted by bad_luck on 7/16/2013 5:49:00 PM (view original):
You won't even guess/give an opinion?
Why would I?  I've already said I don't know how FL laws pertain to the situation you describe.   But, hell, I'll make you happy.

TM would be praised as a national hero for killing a crazy Mexican with a gun.   We would celebrate Trayvon Martin Luther King Day next February. 

How's that?
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