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10/4/2013 4:15 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 10/4/2013 3:47:00 PM (view original):
The GOP House is offering and planning to vote on specific legislation to fund and reopen parts of the government.  The Democrats are opposed to this, they prefer an "all or nothing" approach to the shutdown.  And Obama has promised to veto any piecemal legislation that crosses his desk.

Yep, sounds like the Democrats are acting perfectly reasonably in all this.  It's entirely the GOP's fault.
Source?

All I've seen is something about a bill to just reopen national parks. Because closed national parks are the real crisis here.
10/4/2013 4:16 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 10/4/2013 4:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 10/4/2013 3:47:00 PM (view original):
The GOP House is offering and planning to vote on specific legislation to fund and reopen parts of the government.  The Democrats are opposed to this, they prefer an "all or nothing" approach to the shutdown.  And Obama has promised to veto any piecemal legislation that crosses his desk.

Yep, sounds like the Democrats are acting perfectly reasonably in all this.  It's entirely the GOP's fault.
Source?

All I've seen is something about a bill to just reopen national parks. Because closed national parks are the real crisis here.
Or I guess I could just go the GOP PR page...I mean the Drudge Report...and see what article he's citing that misquotes another article from a legitimate news source.
10/4/2013 4:29 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 10/4/2013 4:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 10/4/2013 3:47:00 PM (view original):
The GOP House is offering and planning to vote on specific legislation to fund and reopen parts of the government.  The Democrats are opposed to this, they prefer an "all or nothing" approach to the shutdown.  And Obama has promised to veto any piecemal legislation that crosses his desk.

Yep, sounds like the Democrats are acting perfectly reasonably in all this.  It's entirely the GOP's fault.
Source?

All I've seen is something about a bill to just reopen national parks. Because closed national parks are the real crisis here.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/04/politics/government-shutdown-main/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
10/4/2013 4:31 PM

Boehner and his GOP House leadership said they would proceed with votes, including a rare Saturday session, on piecemeal spending legislation to fund popular programs while the shutdown continues.

Democrats oppose the incremental approach, saying it amounts to conservatives pushing it to fund programs and services they like.

House Republican leaders sought to depict the legislative wrangling as Democrats harming federal workers and denying services such as national parks and veterans affairs by voting against the limited spending proposals focused on them.

Other piecemeal spending measures will provide funding for the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the National Weather Service with a tropical storm brewing in the Gulf of Mexico, as well as the Head Start program, Majority Leader Eric Cantor of Virginia said Friday.

Obama would veto such measures if they reached his desk, the White House has announced.

10/4/2013 4:40 PM
POPPYCOCK!!!!!

The Dems are willing to talk, negotiate and vote.   The Repubs only want to harm the American public!!!!!
10/4/2013 4:46 PM
lol @ this mess. Even the discussion thread can't negotiate.
10/4/2013 4:51 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 10/4/2013 4:31:00 PM (view original):

Boehner and his GOP House leadership said they would proceed with votes, including a rare Saturday session, on piecemeal spending legislation to fund popular programs while the shutdown continues.

Democrats oppose the incremental approach, saying it amounts to conservatives pushing it to fund programs and services they like.

House Republican leaders sought to depict the legislative wrangling as Democrats harming federal workers and denying services such as national parks and veterans affairs by voting against the limited spending proposals focused on them.

Other piecemeal spending measures will provide funding for the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the National Weather Service with a tropical storm brewing in the Gulf of Mexico, as well as the Head Start program, Majority Leader Eric Cantor of Virginia said Friday.

Obama would veto such measures if they reached his desk, the White House has announced.

Why doesn't Boehner just put the Senate bill up for a vote? It will surely pass. That way the full government is up and running instead of a retarded incremental approach.

You aren't still saying, "Group A has introduced a terrible idea. Group B voted it down (or promised to vote it down/veto it). Group B deserves blame for the mess." Are you?
10/4/2013 5:02 PM
Is it a terrible idea?   Opening a National Park is a horrid, isn't it?   Funding FEMA?   How ******* dare they?
10/4/2013 5:10 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/4/2013 5:02:00 PM (view original):
Is it a terrible idea?   Opening a National Park is a horrid, isn't it?   Funding FEMA?   How ******* dare they?
No, but passing a bill to keep a national park open while ignoring the FDA, etc. is stupid as hell. There is a passable bill on the table that re-opens government. Boehner needs to bring it to a vote. If he doesn't, this is on him.
10/4/2013 5:17 PM

Does he need to bring it to a vote when he disagrees with it's contents?   Wasn't he elected to do what he thought the people wanted?   Isn't that the job of all politicians?

10/4/2013 5:28 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/4/2013 5:17:00 PM (view original):

Does he need to bring it to a vote when he disagrees with it's contents?   Wasn't he elected to do what he thought the people wanted?   Isn't that the job of all politicians?

That's how this works?

Sure, it's within his power to not bring it to a vote if he disagrees. But, the bill would pass if he did, so the blame falls on him when the shutdown persists.
10/4/2013 5:32 PM
I think we know why it passes.   He, and a few others, are taking a stand.     Shouldn't a politician taking a stand be applauded?
10/4/2013 5:37 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/4/2013 5:32:00 PM (view original):
I think we know why it passes.   He, and a few others, are taking a stand.     Shouldn't a politician taking a stand be applauded?
A blanket applause in every situation where they take a stand? Absolutely not. As tec already pointed out, shutting down the government over Obamacare is stupid.

But, yes, Boehner can take a stand if he wants. But he gets the blame for the **** storm.
10/4/2013 5:41 PM
Do you really think this is over Obamacare?
10/4/2013 5:43 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/4/2013 5:41:00 PM (view original):
Do you really think this is over Obamacare?
Sure. What do you think it is about?
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