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10/8/2013 1:43 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/7/2013 8:36:00 AM (view original):
Wasn't easy to find but here's a lefty site that agrees with me(I assume a right wing site would be met with "Phhhttt. Righty site nonsense."


http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/10/01/shutdown-government-real-reason/

Link a lefty side that disagrees with him, STFU badluck up.

Neat trick. 

10/8/2013 1:44 PM
Posted by The Taint on 10/8/2013 12:57:00 PM (view original):
It's also widely thought that UPS is using the ACA as an excuse to do this. They've been looking to do it forever.

How many companies are using the ACA as en excuse to once again maximize profits?
Shouldn't a company look to maximize profits?

Should the gov't give them a means to do so?
10/8/2013 2:01 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/8/2013 1:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/7/2013 8:36:00 AM (view original):
Wasn't easy to find but here's a lefty site that agrees with me(I assume a right wing site would be met with "Phhhttt. Righty site nonsense."


http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/10/01/shutdown-government-real-reason/

Link a lefty side that disagrees with him, STFU badluck up.

Neat trick. 

Do you want to keep that argument going, because it seemed pointless. You always accuse me of not letting things go...what exactly do you want here?
10/8/2013 2:21 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 10/8/2013 1:26:00 PM (view original):
Fees that the ACA are imposing on the employers, i.e. the sponsors of the group health plans.  Dumbass.

http://www.ifebp.org/Resources/Research/acacostsurvey.htm
Well let's take those one by one.

Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Institute: The fee is $1 per covered life in 2014. The health insurance company pays it unless the plan sponsor is self funded (meaning the employer acts as the insurance company).

General administrative costs??? Yep, without the ACA, no one would have administrative costs.

Reinsurance Fee: Reinsurance costs are always paid by insurance companies. Reinsurance is risk spreading. Insurance companies do it all the time, with or without the ACA. The insurance company can (and will) roll the fee into the premium. This fee is estimated to add 1% in 2014, falling to 0.35% in 2016 and it goes away in 2017.

providing health insurance to individuals who previously were not offered coverage in order to comply with coverage requirements (13%): You mean it's going to cost money to provide health insurance to people who don't already have health insurance? Un-*******-believable.

Again, the ACA is just a convenient excuse to shift cost.

10/8/2013 2:40 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 10/8/2013 1:09:00 PM (view original):
Posted by The Taint on 10/8/2013 12:57:00 PM (view original):
It's also widely thought that UPS is using the ACA as an excuse to do this. They've been looking to do it forever.

How many companies are using the ACA as en excuse to once again maximize profits?
Yep.

Companies were free to cut benefits in the past with the only downside being that everyone would think they were ****** companies.

Now they can do it and blame it on the ACA. No downside!!!!

Blame the companies, not the ACA. The ACA expands healthcare access.
Yes, Let's blame ANYTHING but the ACA.

Here in Washington, Children's Hospital isn't being included as a covered provider for the exchange-based coverage programs because of cost.  Of course, I'm sure that's the fault of the insurance companies, not the ACA.

I'll rest easy when my employer chooses to pay the penalty and my family ends up on the exchange, without my 3 kids having access to Children's Hospital, knowing that the ACA is not at fault for any of it.
10/8/2013 2:45 PM
In BL's "Land of Make Believe", everything is just as he said.  Along with cute puppies riding unicorns as they jump over rainbows.
10/8/2013 2:47 PM
10/8/2013 2:47 PM
Posted by examinerebb on 10/8/2013 2:40:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 10/8/2013 1:09:00 PM (view original):
Posted by The Taint on 10/8/2013 12:57:00 PM (view original):
It's also widely thought that UPS is using the ACA as an excuse to do this. They've been looking to do it forever.

How many companies are using the ACA as en excuse to once again maximize profits?
Yep.

Companies were free to cut benefits in the past with the only downside being that everyone would think they were ****** companies.

Now they can do it and blame it on the ACA. No downside!!!!

Blame the companies, not the ACA. The ACA expands healthcare access.
Yes, Let's blame ANYTHING but the ACA.

Here in Washington, Children's Hospital isn't being included as a covered provider for the exchange-based coverage programs because of cost.  Of course, I'm sure that's the fault of the insurance companies, not the ACA.

I'll rest easy when my employer chooses to pay the penalty and my family ends up on the exchange, without my 3 kids having access to Children's Hospital, knowing that the ACA is not at fault for any of it.
Actually, Children's is included in two of the eight plans and is suing the state to be included in the others. 
10/8/2013 2:51 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 10/8/2013 2:45:00 PM (view original):
In BL's "Land of Make Believe", everything is just as he said.  Along with cute puppies riding unicorns as they jump over rainbows.
In your make believe land, every premium increase or coverage reduction is the fault of the ACA. Because rates have never gone up before and people have never been dropped from a health plan before.
10/8/2013 2:52 PM
Awesome.  I feel much better.  As long as the pre-eminent provider of specialized children's healthcare only has to sue the government to be able to provide its services to the masses, the ACA is a rousing success.
10/8/2013 2:55 PM
This would be a lot easier if you could just bring yourself to say "Universal healthcare is a fantastic idea, but the ACA is an incredibly poorly thought out law."  We would all agree and move on.
10/8/2013 2:55 PM
Posted by examinerebb on 10/8/2013 2:52:00 PM (view original):
Awesome.  I feel much better.  As long as the pre-eminent provider of specialized children's healthcare only has to sue the government to be able to provide its services to the masses, the ACA is a rousing success.
The hospital is still available in two plans on the exchange.

Did your employer drop your coverage?
10/8/2013 2:56 PM
Posted by examinerebb on 10/8/2013 2:55:00 PM (view original):
This would be a lot easier if you could just bring yourself to say "Universal healthcare is a fantastic idea, but the ACA is an incredibly poorly thought out law."  We would all agree and move on.
Universal health care is a great idea. The ACA is imperfect.
10/8/2013 2:59 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 10/8/2013 2:51:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 10/8/2013 2:45:00 PM (view original):
In BL's "Land of Make Believe", everything is just as he said.  Along with cute puppies riding unicorns as they jump over rainbows.
In your make believe land, every premium increase or coverage reduction is the fault of the ACA. Because rates have never gone up before and people have never been dropped from a health plan before.
And in your Land of Make Believe, the ACA resolves all the problems with healthcare in the US of A, with absolutely zero downside or negative impact.  TO ANYBODY!!

I can't wait to discuss 2014 healthcare enrollment with my wife tonight!!
10/8/2013 3:06 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 10/8/2013 2:59:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 10/8/2013 2:51:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 10/8/2013 2:45:00 PM (view original):
In BL's "Land of Make Believe", everything is just as he said.  Along with cute puppies riding unicorns as they jump over rainbows.
In your make believe land, every premium increase or coverage reduction is the fault of the ACA. Because rates have never gone up before and people have never been dropped from a health plan before.
And in your Land of Make Believe, the ACA resolves all the problems with healthcare in the US of A, with absolutely zero downside or negative impact.  TO ANYBODY!!

I can't wait to discuss 2014 healthcare enrollment with my wife tonight!!
Never said it solves all problems. It solves some problems.
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