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10/15/2013 2:36 PM
So, basically, you're saying we, as a people, are just far too stupid to send a message that says "We're tired of this bullshit" well enough so that it could be understood by elected officials?

While I tend ot agree, I also think we, as a people, don't have the balls to even try it.

10/15/2013 3:05 PM
I'm saying the mechanics of the system don't allow the message to matter.
10/15/2013 3:07 PM
That blows.  Let's start a revolution. 
10/15/2013 3:17 PM
We're allowed to vote.   If people would vote out the incumbents, a message can be sent.    But it won't happen because 80%, I imagine, are pressing one side of the poll regardless of the name attached to it.
10/15/2013 3:26 PM
10/15/2013 4:19 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/15/2013 3:17:00 PM (view original):
We're allowed to vote.   If people would vote out the incumbents, a message can be sent.    But it won't happen because 80%, I imagine, are pressing one side of the poll regardless of the name attached to it.
Yep.  The only cure is to get the money out of politics.  And the politicians won't vote for that because the money lines their pockets and keeps them in power.
10/15/2013 4:19 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/15/2013 3:17:00 PM (view original):
We're allowed to vote.   If people would vote out the incumbents, a message can be sent.    But it won't happen because 80%, I imagine, are pressing one side of the poll regardless of the name attached to it.
When was the last time you voted for a Democrat for president or congress?
10/15/2013 4:21 PM
Posted by examinerebb on 10/15/2013 4:19:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/15/2013 3:17:00 PM (view original):
We're allowed to vote.   If people would vote out the incumbents, a message can be sent.    But it won't happen because 80%, I imagine, are pressing one side of the poll regardless of the name attached to it.
Yep.  The only cure is to get the money out of politics.  And the politicians won't vote for that because the money lines their pockets and keeps them in power.
Agreed. Fund campaigns publicly and outlaw bribery...I mean, "campaign contributions."
10/15/2013 4:40 PM
This is how broken the system is:  The group of us, who are representative of the country as a whole in that we're never in consensus on anything, all agree on this issue - yet nothing gets done about it.
10/15/2013 9:07 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 10/15/2013 4:19:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/15/2013 3:17:00 PM (view original):
We're allowed to vote.   If people would vote out the incumbents, a message can be sent.    But it won't happen because 80%, I imagine, are pressing one side of the poll regardless of the name attached to it.
When was the last time you voted for a Democrat for president or congress?
2012.   I voted for one incumbent.    He was a minority, Republican and young. 
10/15/2013 10:16 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/15/2013 9:07:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 10/15/2013 4:19:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/15/2013 3:17:00 PM (view original):
We're allowed to vote.   If people would vote out the incumbents, a message can be sent.    But it won't happen because 80%, I imagine, are pressing one side of the poll regardless of the name attached to it.
When was the last time you voted for a Democrat for president or congress?
2012.   I voted for one incumbent.    He was a minority, Republican and young. 
He was a Republican. When was the last time you voted for a Democrat?
10/16/2013 1:14 AM
Another real life experience.

Just had our benefit briefing today. Our rates are increasing a bit, and our coverage is not going to be as good as it is now. Win/Win...

Something I was made aware of today, in that meeting. There is a so-called "Cadillac Tax", where if you have really great insurance coverage like I do, or did I guess, the government will hit the company with a 40% tax.

So basically the government is saying "That coverage is too good. If you want to keep providing insurance of that high quality it's going to cost you an additional 40%."

WTF?

What good can that possibly do for anybody?
10/16/2013 7:47 AM

The tax seeks to slow the growth rate of health costs and finance health coverage expansion.

Proponents say high-cost plans are bloated, shield workers from the true cost of care and encourage unnecessary tests and hospital visits.

Labor unions, which are pushing to have the tax eliminated or the threshold raised, fear workers will unfairly feel the brunt of the tax and take issue with the “Cadillac” reference.

“It’s extremely misleading,” said Anders Lindall, AFSCME Council 31 spokesman in Chicago. “Far from being excessive, our plans are reliable, strong and safe.

“The tax punishes workers who have made sacrifices in pay to trade off for health security for their families. We shouldn’t impose a negative incentive against strong health plans.”

“Proponents assert people are overinsured, and that to control health spending the thing to do is increase peoples’ deductibles and copays, and that will get people to tell their doctors they don’t need as much health care,” said Tom Leibfried, national AFL-CIO legislative representative. “But there’s not a lot of evidence that increasing what people pay out of pocket slows health spending.”

Here is the entire article that I quoted this from: http://www.suntimes.com/news/22686154-418/employers-shifting-costs-to-avoid-obamacare-cadillac-tax.html

Would it sounds like is President Robin Hood is punishing those who have excellent health care by taxing them in order to help finance health care for his minions.

10/16/2013 8:31 AM
Posted by tecwrg on 10/16/2013 7:47:00 AM (view original):

The tax seeks to slow the growth rate of health costs and finance health coverage expansion.

Proponents say high-cost plans are bloated, shield workers from the true cost of care and encourage unnecessary tests and hospital visits.

Labor unions, which are pushing to have the tax eliminated or the threshold raised, fear workers will unfairly feel the brunt of the tax and take issue with the “Cadillac” reference.

“It’s extremely misleading,” said Anders Lindall, AFSCME Council 31 spokesman in Chicago. “Far from being excessive, our plans are reliable, strong and safe.

“The tax punishes workers who have made sacrifices in pay to trade off for health security for their families. We shouldn’t impose a negative incentive against strong health plans.”

“Proponents assert people are overinsured, and that to control health spending the thing to do is increase peoples’ deductibles and copays, and that will get people to tell their doctors they don’t need as much health care,” said Tom Leibfried, national AFL-CIO legislative representative. “But there’s not a lot of evidence that increasing what people pay out of pocket slows health spending.”

Here is the entire article that I quoted this from: http://www.suntimes.com/news/22686154-418/employers-shifting-costs-to-avoid-obamacare-cadillac-tax.html

Would it sounds like is President Robin Hood is punishing those who have excellent health care by taxing them in order to help finance health care for his minions.

Isn't that awesome. 

Especially fond of the "to control health spending the thing to do is increase peoples’ deductibles and copays, and that will get people to tell their doctors they don’t need as much health care"

Because, as everyone knows, one of the biggest difficulties we face with the health care crisis, is people getting too much health care. All of this preventative testing and early diagnosing, THAT's what really has caused this crisis that we're in now.
10/16/2013 8:36 AM
Posted by bad_luck on 10/15/2013 10:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/15/2013 9:07:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 10/15/2013 4:19:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/15/2013 3:17:00 PM (view original):
We're allowed to vote.   If people would vote out the incumbents, a message can be sent.    But it won't happen because 80%, I imagine, are pressing one side of the poll regardless of the name attached to it.
When was the last time you voted for a Democrat for president or congress?
2012.   I voted for one incumbent.    He was a minority, Republican and young. 
He was a Republican. When was the last time you voted for a Democrat?
2012.   Read the goddam post.   I voted for ONE incumbent.    ****.
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