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4/24/2012 9:41 AM
Posted by cbriese on 4/23/2012 8:38:00 AM (view original):
Um, murph. We are superior. No need to try to feel superior.

And you went to Double Mendoza world chat to find something on vandydave? Really?
As superior as you are accurate.
4/24/2012 9:42 AM
Posted by cbriese on 4/23/2012 8:46:00 AM (view original):
Look, we simply said that the analysis could be improved via a few changes:
  • Use standard deviation rather than gross averages
  • Look at at three-year period rather than a singe season
  • Incorporate runs rather than wins
Some folks apparently still think the pitcher with the most wins should get the Cy Young, and the hitter with the most RBIs should win the MVP. That appears to be the kind of logic used in determining your world rankings.

Is this, by the way, part of the manifesto?
I agree with those bullet points.

Totally forgot about the manifesto.  Those were dmurph's glory days when he still thought people respected him.
4/24/2012 9:43 AM
Posted by cbriese on 4/23/2012 8:47:00 AM (view original):
Or maybe it's just banter, Mike, between folks who have been doing this in these forums for many years.
Yeah.  That gets lost on most.
4/24/2012 9:45 AM
Posted by dmurphy104 on 4/23/2012 9:04:00 AM (view original):
Posted by cbriese on 4/23/2012 8:46:00 AM (view original):
Look, we simply said that the analysis could be improved via a few changes:
  • Use standard deviation rather than gross averages
  • Look at at three-year period rather than a singe season
  • Incorporate runs rather than wins
Some folks apparently still think the pitcher with the most wins should get the Cy Young, and the hitter with the most RBIs should win the MVP. That appears to be the kind of logic used in determining your world rankings.

Is this, by the way, part of the manifesto?
Some folks apparently still think the pitcher with the most wins should get the Cy Young, and the hitter with the most RBIs should win the MVP. That appears to be the kind of logic used in determining your world rankings.

Not at all. I only went through one year initially for a couple of reasons. 1. If the results made no logical sense--or if I could make improvements to grab better data, I didnt want to have to go through 3 years worth of data twice. As I posted throughout the thread, I will incorporate multiple seasons.

I get your point on wins--and admittedly looking at 100 wins/100 loss teams was a bit simplistic. But initially to put these out it was easy to grab the data. I will be grabbing top 4 wins/loss teams. I think for the parity aspect run differential will be helpful--I expect it will just reinforce what I will get looking at the top and bottom w/l. Although I am sure there are a few worlds where that data will tell a different story.

Cbriese, as far as I recall, you mentioned nothing about Standard Deviations until this post.  As I mentioned before, the way I set it up initially didnt lend itself to grabbing all team data and making calculations based on that data.

Im not opposed to it in theory--it may result in slightly different rankings and better score the worlds based on era and +/- where some monster teams are driving up the average, but I also think that by weighing the parity score more heavily achieves pretty close to the same result.

I get people defending their worlds and trying to find some criteria that they think will better judge worlds. But what I dont get is people like Robusk coming in and just being douchey (I actually do kinda understand it since its coming from Robusk).  If I were a paid employee of WIS and this were my job--it would make sense. I just put this together over about a day because I had some time and thought it would be interesting.

And you know and I know if I went through the laborious process of calculating Standard deviations and Variance to the mean (or whatever the heck else he suggested) for 160+ worlds for 3 seasons each across multiple categories, Robusk would still find a reason to **** on the rankings.

Any ranking system will be inherently subjective..and people will disagree with the results--no amount of statistical complexity will change that.
If you posted under the username of someone who had site credibility I wouldn't come **** on the rankings.  People post rankings all the time and I never care.  Just when it is done by people who should be banned from having an opinion.
4/24/2012 10:20 AM (edited)
Posted by dmurphy104 on 4/23/2012 12:33:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cbriese on 4/23/2012 8:47:00 AM (view original):
Or maybe it's just banter, Mike, between folks who have been doing this in these forums for many years.

I get the superiority thing is robusk's deal and it always has been. In this case it justs rubs me wrong. But whatever..and then crying in Shtickless because I redlined him..I only redlined those posts because one was especially douchey--I think it was asking what made me qualified to do rankings based on my real-world profession (which was incorrectly referenced btw).

This would be a great time to reference the post from the dude in the roofing industry where thousands of dollars change hands every week...or something.

Wait.  So you don't sell bathroom fixtures anymore?  What about Wii Fits?
4/24/2012 9:47 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 4/23/2012 12:38:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 4/23/2012 9:04:00 AM (view original):
Pardon me.   I'm kind of new to the forums and rather inexperienced at it.   Thanks for the explanation.

However, despite my forum n00bness, I'm willing to offer some help where I can.   Would you like me to call you a doctor?   You know, to have them remove the stick from your ***?
I'll also refer back to this.
Pancreatic cancer
4/24/2012 10:14 AM
For someone who doesn't care, you post a lot in this thread.

"I don't care" usually equates to "I don't bother".      Since I'm new to the forums, could you please explain to me what I'm missing?
4/24/2012 10:20 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 4/24/2012 10:14:00 AM (view original):
For someone who doesn't care, you post a lot in this thread.

"I don't care" usually equates to "I don't bother".      Since I'm new to the forums, could you please explain to me what I'm missing?
I don't care about rankings.  I do care about shitting on dmurph.
4/24/2012 10:22 AM
robusk, you're a dipweed. Thanks, buh bye now.
4/24/2012 10:30 AM
Dismissed by a duck.  That's gonna leave a mark.
4/24/2012 11:11 AM
whats the manifesto.
4/24/2012 11:39 AM
4/24/2012 11:40 AM
Posted by robusk on 4/24/2012 10:20:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 4/24/2012 10:14:00 AM (view original):
For someone who doesn't care, you post a lot in this thread.

"I don't care" usually equates to "I don't bother".      Since I'm new to the forums, could you please explain to me what I'm missing?
I don't care about rankings.  I do care about shitting on dmurph.
I still don't get it.   Maybe it's because I'm new.

Haven't you already **** on dmurph?    Have we missed something?   Or are you so full of **** that there's more?
4/24/2012 12:30 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 4/24/2012 10:30:00 AM (view original):
Dismissed by a duck.  That's gonna leave a mark.




4/24/2012 1:31 PM
I wonder why more people don't create world rankings?
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