Good world, bad owner Topic

Posted by dcm17 on 5/25/2015 1:33:00 PM (view original):
It is obviously a behavior issue when an individual tanks; however it is a systems issue that encourages it in the first place. You must encourage (discourage tanking) winning. This is just an initial thought, but give the top pick to the 5th worst record, second pick to the4th worst record, etc.
That would just change the level of tanking, people would tank to get the 5th worst record instead of the worst record.

The only way you will rid the game of tanking is if you take away all incentive to tank.

5/25/2015 3:30 PM
Can't be done.
5/25/2015 7:22 PM
Professional teams tank
5/25/2015 9:00 PM
NBA and NFL, yes.  MLB . . . not really.
5/25/2015 9:38 PM
There are some folks in Houston who would disagree.

Houston Astros: The Joy of Tanking by Rany Jazayerli
5/25/2015 10:52 PM
But again, comparing WIS to Real Life is silly. In HBD there are no fans to worry about turning off, we don't lose 81 games worth of concessions/parking/ticket sales when fans don't show up, and we don't have to worry about destroying the season-ticket base while bottoming out. Tanking only makes sense in RL if you're already deep in a hole. In HBD, it can be a viable strategy from the start.
5/25/2015 10:58 PM
As long as the players and the player distribution are as predictable as currently formatted, that will be the reason to tank HBD.
5/25/2015 11:56 PM
I'm in
5/26/2015 12:02 AM
Posted by damag on 5/25/2015 11:57:00 PM (view original):
As long as the players and the player distribution are as predictable as currently formatted, that will be the reason to tank HBD.
Only the weak tank..
5/26/2015 12:51 PM
cut directly from Fair Play Guidelines:

Failure to Field a Competitive Team

It's sometimes possible to sacrifice the current season for a better chance in future seasons. That's an accepted strategy both in the real world and on our site.

5/26/2015 2:38 PM
Posted by pjfoster13 on 5/26/2015 2:38:00 PM (view original):
cut directly from Fair Play Guidelines:

Failure to Field a Competitive Team

It's sometimes possible to sacrifice the current season for a better chance in future seasons. That's an accepted strategy both in the real world and on our site.

Their definition of failing to do so is less than a .250 WP.

So IOW their Minimum Win Floor would be 41 wins per season.

5/26/2015 2:40 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/22/2015 10:33:00 AM (view original):
Well, I'm the commish of the first two worlds.   I did change the way replacement owners are handled.  Anyone caught using questionable tactics because the MWR doesn't apply won't be allowed back.  Basically, if they take over a .400 team, they need to be in that ballpark when the season finishes.

I'm not even sure how one would address the 2nd scenario.   I'm not comfortable telling another owner, who isn't breaking the rules, that he should promote Players A and B because they're better than Players C and D on the big league club.   "Better" is subjective and owners plan the way owners plan.   You could probably find a minor leaguer on all my teams that could be in the bigs(except Coop, I mismanaged my future horribly).   There has been some public shaming but it didn't deter him.   In what I admit is a dick move, he asked to swap cities, I said "sure" but had little intention of giving him the password.   But I pussed out because that seemed as bad, if not worse, than what he is doing.  So he's "stuck" in that city.

The 3rd scenario isn't really my problem as I'm just another owner.  But I damn sure don't like it nor does anyone else in the world(at least those that have chimed in). 
So you can't blow a team up?  I took over a team that had multiple high dollar FAs (2 @ $20m) with ZERO chance to win.  So what did I do?

1 - find new homes for the high dollar guys > yes, by taking less than they were worth at the point of the trade
2 - released any aging guy with a mid-tier contract and replaced with AAA throw-aways that played for the league minimum
3 - signed so-so pitchers with high stamina to soak up innings
4 - plowed $$$ into IFAs that were scouted as good/great players
5 - received high draft picks 

So where are we now after 4 seasons?

* One of the youngest, if not the youngest franchises, in my league
* Payroll that has flexibility and won't become a problem for 3 to 4 seasons
* Playoffs in Rookie / LoA  the past 2 seasons

Things take time - and if you don't want the same teams winning every season - owners will need to take chances (lose more games) to position for greater upside in the future.



5/27/2015 1:58 PM
Yeah, a good world doesn't put up with this:

28 sjurat ML 59-103 .364 4th No No      
29 sjurat ML 53-109 .327 3rd No No      
30 sjurat ML 48-114 .296 4th No No      
31 sjurat ML 57-105 .352 4th No No

I have no interest in perpetual 100+ game losers being in my world. 
5/27/2015 2:11 PM
I managed to get my rebuild done in two seasons and didn't even have to lose 100 once.

18 selmer ML 70-92 .432 3rd No No      
19 selmer ML 79-83 .488 1st No Yes no no no
20 selmer ML 75-87 .463 3rd No No      
21 MikeT23 ML 72-90 .444 4th No No      
22 MikeT23 ML 89-73 .549 1st No Yes no no no
23 MikeT23 ML 75-87 .463 3rd No No      
24 MikeT23 ML 85-77 .525 1st No Yes no no no
25 MikeT23 ML 90-72 .556 1st No Yes yes no no
26 MikeT23 ML 84-78 .519 2nd No No      
27 MikeT23 ML 81-81 .500 3rd No No      
28 MikeT23 ML 93-69 .574 1st No Yes yes yes yes
29 MikeT23 ML 88-74 .543 2nd Yes No no no no
30 MikeT23 ML 97-65 .599 1st No Yes yes yes yes
31 MikeT23 ML 86-76 .531 3rd No No      
32 MikeT23 ML 65-97 .401 4th No No      
33 MikeT23 ML 70-92 .432 4th No No      
34 MikeT23 ML 83-79 .512 2nd Yes No no no no
35 MikeT23 ML 89-73 .549 1st No Yes no no no
36 MikeT23 ML 80-82 .494 1st No Yes no no no


5/27/2015 2:14 PM
I know it's personal preference, but I wouldn't be able to stand tanking for even 1 full season. I understand not recklessly throwing money at FAs and trading away prospects to win now in every scenario, but I always do my best to field a solid team within reason (signing solid 1-year veteran fill-ins, consolidating big prospects, etc.). I've only got 2 teams, and 1 of them is coming out of a "rebuild" (the franchise I picked up had been wrecked by previous owners) and the other is an absolute train wreck that has been a blast to fix up thus far. However, with both teams I am trying to win as soon as possible; the sooner the better.
5/27/2015 4:13 PM
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