Posted by colonels19 on 5/31/2012 2:08:00 PM (view original):

And there's the crux, there has to be an incentive for winning, but the 17th best team in the league can't be getting the #1 pick from their position

And frankly for some times it might make sense to tank their way out of the playoffs for a shot at landing the top pick.

I think they could tier the structure and run the lottery for two groups of 7 and while not making it totally even make the percentages much closer.  Something like 23, 20, 17, 14, 11, 8, 5 (with the fractions to make up the difference).  So if you finish with the worst record you have an approximate 23 % chance at getting the first pick and if you finish 7th you have an approximate 5% chance.  Do the lotto for picks 2 and 3 also.  Have the same percentages for 8 through 14, for getting the 8th, 9th, and 10th spots. 

Posted by deanod on 5/31/2012 10:29:00 AM (view original):
Stop reaching.

 

The Hornets getting value this year didn't matter because they were tanking anyway (and successfully so!), and it's not like EG only playing 2 games was foreseeable anyhow.  Nevertheless they now have 4-5 seasons of him upcoming as the #1 scoring option to complement their defensive beast in the paint, and they get a flier on a decent prospect at #10 overall.  This is unequivocally better than overpaying ****** washed up vets- it's not very hard to do the math here.

they scrapped the team to make it look more legitimate when Stern fixed the lottery (and the league shouldnt be in the business of tanking so blatantly any more than they should be in the business of owning teams)

and they could just as easily have turned those guys around into further assets if they didnt want to win  (assuming Odom didnt fold up like he did which was not something anyone would have assumed in November)

and if Gordon walks (and I dont agree he's a lock to stay) they wound up getting 2 middling picks for Paul and cap space - which is bullshit

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Odom turned into a draft pick that's top 20 protected forever, and Scola and KevMart wouldn't have fetched any assets because they're overpaid washed up turds.

Gordon can't walk unless they let him, which would be their own problem for not matching any offer he gets.

Face it, they got some decent assets from the Clippers and the other package was a steaming pile of AIDS that overall wasn't worth acquiring for air because everybody is ****** and old and overpaid.  Stop being such a butthurt Lakers fan over it.

And if they didn't want to win the best bet would have been to play those guys HUGE minutes because they all sucked fat ***** this year.

 

At least Kaman had the decency to expire off the books after contributing to the tanking cause.

Odom turned into that after the nixed trade when he went into super baby nova  before that his value was much higher but sure use hindsight to make your argument Im sure David Stern is psychic like that

and while Scola's contract is problematic Martin's expires after next season and aside from youth (5 years, and Martin at 28 still has some burn) Gordon is maybe better but not by that much and he hasnt played a full season in 3 years so what's all that worth?

and while we're on the subject of Gordon, he already turned down a 4 year 50m offer from the Hornets so dont kid yourself - if someone wants to dump a truck full of money at his door he's gone 5th year or not

Apparently somebody doesn't understand how restricted free agency works.

Back to the topic at hand, the lottery worked perfectly.  What's the problem?  A team with a very high % chance got the top pick.  That's exactly why there is a lottery to begin with. 

Thank God the Bobcat's didn't get Davis.

Posted by felonius on 5/31/2012 7:20:00 PM (view original):
Odom turned into that after the nixed trade when he went into super baby nova  before that his value was much higher but sure use hindsight to make your argument Im sure David Stern is psychic like that

and while Scola's contract is problematic Martin's expires after next season and aside from youth (5 years, and Martin at 28 still has some burn) Gordon is maybe better but not by that much and he hasnt played a full season in 3 years so what's all that worth?

and while we're on the subject of Gordon, he already turned down a 4 year 50m offer from the Hornets so dont kid yourself - if someone wants to dump a truck full of money at his door he's gone 5th year or not

Kevin Martin is a bad NBA player, nobody should want him at that price tag expiring or not.  He's one of the worst defensive players in NBA history, so when his scoring fell off a lil bit last year his value went to complete crap.

I'm pretty sure the Lakers were using that broken trade as an excuse for Odom, because apparently he got mindfucked over the offseason and just wasn't engaged at all.  And whether the Lakers had an excuse or not, they couldn't sell him for more than a crap pick so why would the Hornets be able to?  That trio of vets would have arguably been the worst haul for any superstar traded in his prime in the history of sports.

And yeah, Gordon's restricted + Hornets have no reason to not match.

Posted by badja on 5/31/2012 11:12:00 PM (view original):
Back to the topic at hand, the lottery worked perfectly.  What's the problem?  A team with a very high % chance got the top pick.  That's exactly why there is a lottery to begin with. 

Thank God the Bobcat's didn't get Davis.

Just found it somewhat funny that the team the NBA owns won the lottery.  <conspiracy theory here>

@deanod - I don't think they got that good a deal with the trade they ended up with.  Maybe Eric Gordon gets healthy and proves me wrong... but thus far he hasn't really been steady at all.  Kaman was the best part of that deal and they basically got him for the expiring contract...  not that the other trade was that much better, but I really think they got **** on with this deal.  At least they got the 10th pick /shrug

I'm honestly asking this question and not being a jerkoff.  How many people would have to be involved with this "rigging" of the ping pong balls when every team has a rep watching the drawing.  I understand and have heard that the balls can be weighted etc etc but again, how many people behind the scenes would have to be involved in that process and then told to shut up about it forever?

it wasn't a serious conspiracy theory... I just found it funny.  Like ha ha funny.

Posted by earlmantis on 6/2/2012 10:16:00 PM (view original):
I'm honestly asking this question and not being a jerkoff.  How many people would have to be involved with this "rigging" of the ping pong balls when every team has a rep watching the drawing.  I understand and have heard that the balls can be weighted etc etc but again, how many people behind the scenes would have to be involved in that process and then told to shut up about it forever?

Ask the Knicks in 85, they might know.

Posted by malone9975 on 6/3/2012 2:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by earlmantis on 6/2/2012 10:16:00 PM (view original):
I'm honestly asking this question and not being a jerkoff.  How many people would have to be involved with this "rigging" of the ping pong balls when every team has a rep watching the drawing.  I understand and have heard that the balls can be weighted etc etc but again, how many people behind the scenes would have to be involved in that process and then told to shut up about it forever?

Ask the Knicks in 85, they might know.

First off Malone, I hate you now more than ever.  Secondly, in 85 each team had only 1 card I believe in a bowl and God knows if it was witnessed by a rep of every team. That would have been much easier to rig when Stern wasn't under scrutiny for fixing things in the league. This time around I find it very hard to believe. To Ash, I hear ya but guess what, people believe it was rigged.

he's the worst professional league commisioner in history whether there are legs to these theories or not - just horrible

watered down product via expansion that has brought several teams to non-viable markets which have since moved or folded or (well, Hornets twice)

ruined the quality of product (go you tube any (I mean ANY, not just the 'good teams') 80s games and then what you should do is weep) horrible horrible horrible - on his watch and worse and worse as time goes on

record revenues?!??! two work stoppages and all but 3 teams in the red, his model doesnt work

bravo herr stern regardless of all the shady **** - you suck

The 1985 lottery was televised.

www.youtube.com/watch

They put a card with everyone's team then spin it around, Stern reaches in grabs one puts on a platform. When done he opens them up last to first.