i dont know if anyone has written this but collison went to mavericks i like that pickup

Jordan Hill, Grant Hill, Antawn Jamison - Lakers bench starting to stack up

Posted by felonius on 7/21/2012 12:15:00 PM (view original):
Jordan Hill, Grant Hill, Antawn Jamison - Lakers bench starting to stack up

Grant Hill signed with an LA team, but it wasn't the Lakers.

that's right! what the hell was he thinking?

What happened to the Mavs is what IMO is wrong with the NBA now. They, and I'm NOT defending them , but they tried and failed to clear cap space to add superstar next to Dirk and reload for another title run, then when those superstars don't sign there they are left signing leftover pieces just to field a squad. See: Next yrs Atlanta Hawks, Houston Rockets, Philadelphia 76ers etc etc.   This is why I as an NBA fan can't stand multiply stars signing on the same teams, it seems like it's going to wreak havoc on the bottom half of the league and their fan bases and teams that build through young guys clear cap space and then try to sign a superstar but get rebuffed are left with scrap.  The Lakers, a team alot of people thought got screwed over by the blocked Paul trade now might have all stars at 4 positions going into next yr if they land Howard. Now did they do anything wrong or outside of the rules? Nope not at all! But let's be honest, Nash pretty much asked ownership to trade him there while playing the family card and Howard could end up there only because most of ORL other options fell through because they took so damn long. In both cases it seems like the player is choosing their team packed with talent.  I as a fan hope this doesn't bite the league in their *** 2-3 yrs down the line when the bottom feeders can't get more than 8000-10000 fans in the seats to watch barely passable NBA rosters.

I don't know... the era so many of us refer to as the best ever (80s) had a few teams with a bunch of hall of famers while the rest of the league was just okay.  That's just a jaeger-influenced 3am opinion, however.

the lakers even without the trade have allstars at 4 positions

and the thing that ash misses about the golden epoch of the 80s is that even the bad teams were better than they are now because there were less teams

I'm not so sure about that. There's more people in the world that play basketball and more foreign players in the NBA now.

I can't time machine myself back to the 80s to observe roster construction, but it's my belief that teams didn't openly tank like they do now.

The problem with basketball is that you can't outcoach pure talent and raw physical ability/stats.  The Patriots can plug in any decent players and get to the playoffs.  An NFL team can have some freaks on the roster and be a bad team.

No NBA team will go anywhere without a couple of future HOF'ers on the squad.  Guys that are impossible to stop.  There are just not that many guys alive who fit that mold.   The ones around leave college so early they take years to develop.  There is no way to "protect" bball players from injury.  Think about how many miles these guys run on the hardcourt by age 25.  7 foot tall guys who were not designed to run in the first place!  Again, there are just not many humans that can play this game at that level for 20 years (13-33ish).  They can't just go stand in right field or first base for their entire career!

30 teams is way too many.  Think of the good players on the Cavs, Kings, Warriors going to other teams.

Take a look the playoff rosters for 1985.  Absolutely stacked teams. 

I would LOVE to see somebody chop the bottom 7-9 teams from the NBA and take the players from those teams and spread them out to the remaining teams. Curious to see how much of a better product we would get as fans, and see what slop players would be tossed from the league altogether.

Posted by earlmantis on 7/24/2012 9:35:00 PM (view original):
I would LOVE to see somebody chop the bottom 7-9 teams from the NBA and take the players from those teams and spread them out to the remaining teams. Curious to see how much of a better product we would get as fans, and see what slop players would be tossed from the league altogether.

I would like to see a lower league so the bottom teams would get relegated like in English soccer leagues

Posted by badja on 7/22/2012 2:31:00 PM (view original):
The problem with basketball is that you can't outcoach pure talent and raw physical ability/stats.  The Patriots can plug in any decent players and get to the playoffs.  An NFL team can have some freaks on the roster and be a bad team.

No NBA team will go anywhere without a couple of future HOF'ers on the squad.  Guys that are impossible to stop.  There are just not that many guys alive who fit that mold.   The ones around leave college so early they take years to develop.  There is no way to "protect" bball players from injury.  Think about how many miles these guys run on the hardcourt by age 25.  7 foot tall guys who were not designed to run in the first place!  Again, there are just not many humans that can play this game at that level for 20 years (13-33ish).  They can't just go stand in right field or first base for their entire career!

30 teams is way too many.  Think of the good players on the Cavs, Kings, Warriors going to other teams.

Take a look the playoff rosters for 1985.  Absolutely stacked teams. 

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/1985.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/1985.html

Those are the 8th seeds.  Those teams are terrible and I would be stunned if either would have made the playoffs last season. 

Even the Bucks who were a very strong team throughout the 80's and who were the second seed in the east in 85 winning 59 games, have no HOF players on their roster.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIL/1985.html


I think your view of the 80's is skewed because you remembered it as awesome when you were growing up but in reality that view is skewed and warped and doesn't reflect reality. 

walter davis, alvan adams, larry nance, maurice lucas? moranis you clearly have no business talking about basketball as if you know a damn thing

hey and while we're on the subject is 2 times 12 more or less than 1 times 10? and would you rather live in Brooklyn or Cleveland?

that's what I thought

Posted by felonius on 7/26/2012 11:56:00 AM (view original):
walter davis, alvan adams, larry nance, maurice lucas? moranis you clearly have no business talking about basketball as if you know a damn thing

Lucas was past his prime (and missed 20 games).  Nance was just coming into his own then and is a pretty solid #2, but he was pretty far from a #1 guy (he also missed over 20 games).  Davis played in just 23 games (including missing the post season) and wasn't very good that year in the games he played.  Adams is a glorified role player. 

I'd match last years Sixers team up against that team any day of the week.  I'd even take Utah from last year over them.  I might even take Houston who didn't even make the playoffs over that team.