5/6/2013 3:27 PM
Just pushes out an update to beta.

Included:
- adjusted passing results.  adjusted cover calculations for all location and different defensive settings. fixed a bug that was preventing the safety from stepping in to provide double cover on a play.  Passes defensed, interceptions, sacks, throw aways, and scrambles were all adjusted.  YAC was adjusted which should affect the YPA stats as well.
- adjusted time per play. should be a little more reasonable time run off the clock for longer plays.
- fixed bug that was causing the Test Game page to blow up.  Might still be a problem between seasons if a team doesn't have 11 offensive or defensive players.

All of the results are still subject to change during beta, so feedback is greatly appreciated.  There may still be an issue with an all-deep, all-pass playbook, so there is still some work to be done there, but it should be better than it was.

5/7/2013 10:04 AM
Was YAC adjusted longer or shorter?
5/7/2013 10:18 AM
Posted by tigerpark135 on 5/7/2013 10:04:00 AM (view original):
Was YAC adjusted longer or shorter?
Yes.  Well, okay, it's not really that there's a setting that tells how many yards a player gets on a reception that was adjusted, but rather there are several places where it checks to see if a receiver is tackled.  There was a part that was checking to see if the player was tackled immediately after the catch and then the next step he would be checked to see if the cover players tackled him again.  I changed it to only check on an immediate tackled (or really downing) if the player had to stretch or dive for the ball and falls down on the catch, then allow the next step to handle to see if he gets tackled in the catch location - this increased YAC.  I also found a place where it wasn't determining the right number of players in cover so it was having less people in on the tackle attempt than it should down field, which is why Safeties were getting too few tackles.  I fixed this and this pushed YAC a little lower in some cases.  So the update kind of pulls YAC in both directions, but overall it is increased.
5/8/2013 9:53 AM
Seems like passing might have gone too far the other way.  My below average QB is lighting it up now.
5/8/2013 10:41 AM
The final in my first exh. game (Pitt St./Argento) was 104-69! My QB was 63 for 78 for 1,033 yds. and 12 TD's...a full season for some QB's! I looked at Long Islandd to be honest they're above avg. for DII, so yeah, I too think passing has gone too far the other way. But, this is why we play beta, right? And I've got to admit it was pretty cool putting up those kind of numbers! (LOL)
5/8/2013 1:14 PM
Posted by tiggerta on 5/8/2013 9:53:00 AM (view original):
Seems like passing might have gone too far the other way.  My below average QB is lighting it up now.
+1
5/8/2013 1:20 PM
 
  OFF: Shotgun: RMH    DEF: Nickel: 4
100 QB Nathan Clark
100 OL1 Floyd Best
100 OL2 Roy McCoy
100 OL3 Charles Ramirez
100 OL4 Thomas Nelson
100 OL5 John Ellis
100 TE William Valdez
100 WR1 James Delgado
100 WR2 Thomas Fleming
100 WR3 Angel Jimenez
100 WR4 Donald Walker
100 DL1 Michael Latham
100 DL2 Bruce Byrd
100 DL3 John Torres
100 DL4 John Wright
100 LB1 James Leon
100 LB2 John Smart
100 CB1 David Serrano
100 CB2 Henry Austin
100 CB3 Charles Stinson
100 SS Albert Schmitt
100 FS Eugene Smith

SHOTGUN - Nathan Clark takes the snap. [Pass Defense - medium cover]
The defense is starting to get pressure on Clark. Delgado (Austin) is covered at the GC 28 (short). 
Valdez (Smart, Schmitt, Smith) is covered at the GC 34 (medium). 
Clark throws to Delgado (Austin, Schmitt, Smith) at the GC 35 (medium). Delgado makes the catch. 
Delgado is tackled by James Leon at the GC 40. 14 yards on the play.

0

How are the two safeties both covering two different receivers?  This seems like it should be an either/or thing.
There are too many receptions when a receiver is covered by three defenders, like in this play.
 
5/8/2013 1:25 PM
 
  OFF: Shotgun: RMH    DEF: Nickel: 4
99 QB Nathan Clark
99 OL1 Floyd Best
98 OL2 Roy McCoy
98 OL3 Charles Ramirez
99 OL4 Thomas Nelson
99 OL5 John Ellis
99 TE William Valdez
99 WR1 James Delgado
99 WR2 Thomas Fleming
98 WR3 Angel Jimenez
99 WR4 Donald Walker
92 DL1 Michael Latham
96 DL2 Bruce Byrd
94 DL3 John Torres
92 DL4 John Wright
93 LB1 James Leon
94 LB2 John Smart
94 CB1 David Serrano
93 CB2 Henry Austin
93 CB3 Charles Stinson
93 SS Albert Schmitt
93 FS Eugene Smith

SHOTGUN - Nathan Clark takes the snap. [Pass Defense - medium cover]
Clark rolls out of the pocket.
Delgado (Stinson) is covered at the GC 40 (short). 
Valdez (Leon, Schmitt, Smith) is covered at the GC 24 (deep). 
Clark throws to a covered Fleming (Serrano, Schmitt, Smith) at the GC 44 (long). Pass is knocked down by Smith.


Smith and Schmitt are each covering two receivers who are 20 yards apart.  
5/8/2013 1:32 PM
 
  OFF: Shotgun: RMH    DEF: 4-3: 4-3
100 QB Nathan Clark
100 OL1 Floyd Best
100 OL2 Roy McCoy
100 OL3 Charles Ramirez
100 OL4 Thomas Nelson
100 OL5 John Ellis
100 TE William Valdez
98 WR1 James Delgado
100 WR2 Thomas Fleming
100 WR3 Angel Jimenez
100 WR4 Donald Walker
97 DL1 Charles Warren
98 DL2 John Sanders
99 DL3 Henry Flores
96 DL4 Charles Hamlin
96 LB1 John Thomas
97 LB2 Steven Moore
100 LB3 Matthew Wells
97 CB1 Jeffrey Bell
97 CB2 Robert Torres
97 SS Raymond Thomas
100 FS John Barnes

SHOTGUN - Nathan Clark takes the snap. [Pass Defense - long cover]
The defense is starting to get pressure on Clark. Fleming (Barnes) is covered at the L 36 (deep). 
Clark throws to Delgado (Bell) at the GC 33 (medium). Delgado makes the catch. 
Raymond Thomas can't wrap up Delgado. 
Delgado is brought down by Jeffrey Bell on a strong tackle at the GC 37. 13 yards on the play.


Here, a CB all the way from the other side of the field stops a WR for short YAC (medium pass, only 13 yards on the play).  This seems unrealistic.  If the CB was already on that side of the field, who was on the other side?  Were two WRs covered by LBs?  If so, shouldn't a QB with decent GI throw to that side of the field?
 
5/8/2013 1:37 PM
 
  OFF: Notre Dame Box: Half    DEF: 4-4: 6
96 QB Joseph Burns
90 OL1 Jack Crowe
90 OL2 Jose McWilliams
87 OL3 Troy May
90 OL4 Carlos Dennis
89 OL5 William Chan
91 TE1 Glenn Garcia
88 TE2 Paul Acosta
100 RB1 Jose Dawson
89 RB2 Mark Smith
91 WR Stephen Waters
86 DL1 Michael Latham
87 DL2 Bruce Byrd
100 DL3 Brian Holloway
87 DL4 John Wright
86 LB1 James Leon
86 LB2 Paul Flanagan
85 LB3 William Bates
87 LB4 John Smart
89 CB1 David Serrano
87 CB2 Henry Austin
88 FS Albert Schmitt

Joseph Burns takes the snap and drops back to pass. [Pass Defense - short cover]
The defense is starting to get pressure on Burns. 
Burns throws to Garcia (Bates) at the GC 15 (short). Garcia makes the catch. 
David Serrano can't wrap up Garcia. 
Garcia is tackled by Paul Flanagan at the GC 7. 14 yards on the play.


Do safeties only help with WRs?  In this play, the safety is covering short but offers no help with the TE.  At other depths, safeties seem to cover everyone.
 
5/8/2013 1:44 PM
 
  OFF: Notre Dame Box: 2Dollar    DEF: 4-4: 6
89 QB Joseph Burns
80 OL1 Jack Crowe
100 OL2 William Reyes
79 OL3 Jose McWilliams
79 OL4 Troy May
98 OL5 Robert Mayer
80 TE1 Glenn Garcia
98 TE2 Greg Boyd
100 RB1 Jon Lacey
100 RB2 Jose Dawson
81 WR Stephen Waters
81 DL1 Michael Latham
87 DL2 Brian Holloway
81 DL3 Bruce Byrd
84 DL4 John Wright
59 LB1 James Leon
67 LB2 Paul Flanagan
65 LB3 William Bates
64 LB4 John Smart
91 CB1 Charles Stinson
90 CB2 Eugene Smith
85 FS Albert Schmitt

Joseph Burns takes the snap and drops back to pass. [Pass Defense - medium cover]
The defense is starting to get pressure on Burns. 
Burns rolls out of the pocket.
Burns throws to Lacey (Bates, Schmitt, Smith) at the GC 49 (medium). Lacey makes the catch. 
Charles Stinson gets a hand on Lacey to bring him down at the GC 41. 16-yard gain.


First, the QB throws into triple coverage and completes the pass.  Then none of the three in coverage makes the tackle.  It doesn't look like there's a broken or missed tackle, the defenders just seem to disappear while waiting for someone else not in the immediate area to make the play.
5/9/2013 9:15 AM
It looks like the passing engine is seriously broken right now.
5/10/2013 8:42 AM
Posted by slid64er on 5/8/2013 1:20:00 PM (view original):
 
  OFF: Shotgun: RMH    DEF: Nickel: 4
100 QB Nathan Clark
100 OL1 Floyd Best
100 OL2 Roy McCoy
100 OL3 Charles Ramirez
100 OL4 Thomas Nelson
100 OL5 John Ellis
100 TE William Valdez
100 WR1 James Delgado
100 WR2 Thomas Fleming
100 WR3 Angel Jimenez
100 WR4 Donald Walker
100 DL1 Michael Latham
100 DL2 Bruce Byrd
100 DL3 John Torres
100 DL4 John Wright
100 LB1 James Leon
100 LB2 John Smart
100 CB1 David Serrano
100 CB2 Henry Austin
100 CB3 Charles Stinson
100 SS Albert Schmitt
100 FS Eugene Smith

SHOTGUN - Nathan Clark takes the snap. [Pass Defense - medium cover]
The defense is starting to get pressure on Clark. Delgado (Austin) is covered at the GC 28 (short). 
Valdez (Smart, Schmitt, Smith) is covered at the GC 34 (medium). 
Clark throws to Delgado (Austin, Schmitt, Smith) at the GC 35 (medium). Delgado makes the catch. 
Delgado is tackled by James Leon at the GC 40. 14 yards on the play.

0

How are the two safeties both covering two different receivers?  This seems like it should be an either/or thing.
There are too many receptions when a receiver is covered by three defenders, like in this play.
 
+1
I just started messing with this again and I'm seeing the same thing.
5/10/2013 3:22 PM
Yeah the passing is way out of control. I did like 20 test games against a pretty equal opponent and both teams completed on average 60% and over 300yds. There were some occasions over 600yds. The teams also had 5-10 sacks, so need to change something.
5/13/2013 3:04 PM
70 points scored, two to one time of possession advantage, fewer turnovers.... yep lose by two TD's. 
Lost 84-70, while fun even in a loss, I think there may be some issues.

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