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8/16/2011 6:15 PM (edited)
This thread will be the home of the Tark SEC PAC-10 Challenge. Hopefully we'll come up with a better name, but if you are familiar with my Knight Challenge, you'll want someone else in charge of that...

In the interest of simplifying the seeding process for match-ups, I'd like to go to a system inspired by the Phelan ACC-Big 10 Challenge.
  • Our system will rank teams based upon the average number of CONFERENCE WINS for each team for the previous 2 seasons.
  • Ties will be broken by average RPI.
  • Teams will be ranked 1-12 and matched against their like team from the other conference.
  • If this results in a repeat of last season's challenge, seeds will be flipped as necessary for more variety.
  • Home and away will be determined based upon last season's venue - if you played at home last season you'll default to on the road.
  • If both teams played at home/on the road in last season, the home team will be team with fewest overall challenge home games. Ties broken randomly.

*Although commenced in season 59, current formatting and Challenge record keeping dates to Season 60.
3/19/2012 11:32 AM (edited)
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4/2/2012 2:55 AM (edited)
Challenge History:
It is widely believed that the SEC won the first challenge (Season 59) 7-5. Sadly, official records and all game footage were destroyed in the great WCAA housecleaning purge scandal. With a new format for determining match-ups taking root in season 60, official records for the challenge will date from that point on. Labeled the Inaugural Challenge just to be technically incorrect and haughty, the Season 60 Challenge featured 11 match-ups between some of the best and the brightest of  Tark world. Without further ado, your results:

SEASON 60: THE INAUGURAL CHALLENGE!

SOUTH CAROLINA 61 @ CAL 66
WASH ST 57   @    LOUISIANA ST 70
ARKANSAS  59  @   
UCLA 69
ALABAMA  60  @    STANFORD 62
KENTUCKY  67  @    HAWAII 83
VANDERBILT 82   @    ARIZONA 87
FLORIDA  56  @    USC 63
OREGON  60  @    GEORGIA 64
AUBURN  90  @    FRESNO ST 82

ORE ST  85  @    TENNESSEE 94
WASHINGTON  74  @   
MISSISSIPPI ST 81

 
By a final tally of 6-5 the PAC - 10 is the victor of the Inaugural Challenge! Congrats Tenners...
 
 
SEASON 61 CHALLENGE RESULTS:

ARKANSAS  53  @    WASHINGTON ST 58
KENTUCKY 70   @    UCLA 76
STANFORD 88  @    LOUISIANA ST 81
ARIZONA  79 (OT)  @    ALABAMA 73
HAWAII 68   @    FLORIDA 78
GEORGIA 53   @    USC 66
AUBURN 46    @    WASHINGTON 63
FRESNO ST 75   @    TENNESSEE 63
CAL 60   @    MISSISSIPPI ST 82
MISSISSIPPI 66 @    OREGON ST 58

PAC-10 wins the 2nd Challenge 7-3. PAC-10 LEADS OVERALL 13-8.

SEASON 62 CHALLENGE RESULTS:

WASH ST (2)   87           @ KENTUCKY (1) 59
UCLA  (1)    71                @ ARKANSAS (2) 70
HAWAII (4)  62              @ LSU (3) 82
STANFORD (3)   61      @ GEORGIA (4) 50
ALABAMA (5)   71         @ OREGON (6) 59
VANDERBILT (6)  49    @ ARIZONA (5) 74
FLORIDA (7)   70           @ WASHINGTON (7) 61
TENNESSEE (8) 49       @ USC (8) 58
OREGON ST (9)  80       @ AUBURN (9) 68
CAL (10)  65                @ MISSISSIPPI (10) 67
MISS ST (11)   99           @ARIZONA ST (12) 90 (OT)
SO CAROLINA (12)   59   @ FRESNO ST (11) 69

The PAC - 10 wins this season's Challenge 7-5. The PAC - 10 leads overall 20-13.

SEASON 63 CHALLENGE RESULTS:


LSU  51  @    WASHINGTON ST 75
ARKANSAS 63   @    STANFORD 73
HAWAII 77   @    ALABAMA 87
GEORGIA 59   @    
ARIZONA 69
FRESNO ST 62   @    VANDERBILT 75
USC 43   @    FLORIDA 56
WASHINGTON 65    @    TENNESSEE 50
MISSISSIPPI  71  @    OREGON ST 49
CAL  77  @    S CAROLINA 59

PAC-10 wins this iteration of the Challenge 5-4 and leads the overall series 25-17.


SEASON 64 CHALLENGE RESULTS:

UCLA  67  @    LSU 71
WASHINGTON ST  69  @    ARKANSAS 79
ARIZONA 59   @    FLORIDA 70
GEORGIA 59   @    
HAWAII 61
STANFORD 87    @    ALABAMA 63
MISSISSIPPI 58   @    WASHINGTON 66
VANDERBILT  64  @    USC 54
KENTUCKY  70  @  
 FRESNO ST 75
CAL 91   @    TENNESSEE 55
MISS ST  64  @    
OREGON ST 75

By the narrowest of margins, the PAC-10 wins 6-4. They increase the overall series lead to 31-21.



SEASON 65 CHALLENGE RESULTS:

LSU 70   @    ARIZONA 66
FLORIDA 64   @    WASH ST 83
ARKANSAS 67   @    UCLA 55
 STANFORD 62   @    MISSISSIPPI 63
WASHINGTON 52   @    KENTUCKY 68
FRESNO ST 52   @    GEORGIA 74
USC 67   @    ALABAMA 54
S CAROLINA 78   @    CAL 70
OREGON ST 74   @    AUBURN 82


This is a banner year for the SEC, who win this iteration of the challenge 7-2.  The PAC-10 cling to the overall series lead 33-28.


SEASON 66 CHALLENGE RESULTS:

KENTUCKY 71 @ STANFORD 85
WASHINGTON ST 75 @ ARKANSAS 57 (WEEK 2)
LSU 50 @ UCLA 54
ARIZONA 68 @ VANDERBILT 71
WASHINGTON 48 @ FLORIDA 56
FRESNO ST 56 @ MISSISSIPPI 44
ALABAMA 81 @ CAL 68
USC 68 @ GEORGIA 78
S CAROLINA 81 @ HAWAII 79 (OT) (WEEK 6)
TENNESSEE 61 @ OREGON ST 58

Congrats SEC, winners of this season's challenge by a count of 6-4. The PAC-10 still lead the overall series 37-32, but the gap is closing...


SEASON 67 CHALLENGE RESULTS:

UCLA  55  @   
KENTUCKY 57
LSU  56  @    STANFORD 70
WASHINGTON ST  53  @    VANDERBILT 56
FLORIDA 58   @    ARIZONA 69
MISSISSIPPI 63   @    CAL 75
ALABAMA 50   @    WASHINGTON 47
USC 59   @    MISSISSIPPI ST 49
GEORGIA 74   @    FRESNO ST 62
OREGON ST  64  @    S CAROLINA 86
HAWAII  63  @    AUBURN 81
TENNESSEE  74  @    ARIZONA ST 60

The SEC wins season 67 7-4. The Challenge head to head record is now PAC-10 5 - SEC 3. The once 10 game team head-to-head advantage held by the PAC - 10 has been cut to 2, the PAC-10 clinging to a 41-39 advantage. Another great season for the SEC marking 3 straight challenge victories. 


12/23/2011 2:12 AM (edited)
For archival records of all previous match-ups see this Google document.
6/16/2011 8:07 PM
Awesome job Dac!!!  Thanks for everything!!
7/17/2011 1:11 PM
dac, how does Washington state get two home games in a row and I get two away games in a row.  Ayway you can make that isn't happen with other pairings. I think you should switch to @LSU this year to be fair. I see the same thing with UK, they had two home games in a row.  Could it be that you labeled them in a different order this year. Last year you had home on the right and now on the left.  You might want to reprint this before people start scheduling.
7/17/2011 2:10 PM
Posted by Storm69 on 7/17/2011 1:11:00 PM (view original):
dac, how does Washington state get two home games in a row and I get two away games in a row.  Ayway you can make that isn't happen with other pairings. I think you should switch to @LSU this year to be fair. I see the same thing with UK, they had two home games in a row.  Could it be that you labeled them in a different order this year. Last year you had home on the right and now on the left.  You might want to reprint this before people start scheduling.
** I initially listed these backwards as storm points out. The schedule showing now is correct (I hope!) 
Sorry for any confusion.
8/16/2011 12:08 PM
Can we get the Season 61 matchups squared away?
8/17/2011 9:41 AM
What was the final tally of Season 59? 7-5 in favor of SEC?
8/17/2011 12:37 PM
Posted by ardthomp on 8/17/2011 9:41:00 AM (view original):
What was the final tally of Season 59? 7-5 in favor of SEC?
I believe that is correct. I failed to post it here, and its lost on the CCs...

I intend to keep the "official" records from Season 60 on, and sort of count season 59 as a trial run as it were :)

11/26/2011 4:05 PM
I think this one was 5-4 dac - since Vanderbilt is an SEC team, right? 
11/27/2011 5:39 AM
Posted by Storm69 on 11/26/2011 4:05:00 PM (view original):
I think this one was 5-4 dac - since Vanderbilt is an SEC team, right? 
nice catch - fixed
12/23/2011 11:10 PM
I am compiling all the records into a spreadsheet that will show who coached each school for each year of the challenge, if/who they played and where, and the game scores. Here is google docs link for anyone who wants to look. Anyone who knows web stuff and wants to use this data to make some kind of sortable interface would be cool... especially if it can compile the data, like records vs certain school or coach, most wins, winning %, etc...
1/29/2012 12:44 PM
That should say that the PAC10 cling to the overall series lead 33-28 
3/1/2012 2:40 PM (edited)
Challenge match-ups for season 67:

As always, if you find you are on the road or at home in back-to-back seasons it is because either your opponent was facing the same situation or your school has an imbalance one way or the other. All but 2 schools are within 1 game variance of home and away (if all of this season's games are scheduled as outlined) so in the future there should be even fewer repeats regarding location. I had to adjust a number of match-ups by 1 spot to avoid repeats of last season (in one case to avoid a match-up from 2 seasons ago for variety and the new match-up was compelling). If anyone expresses an interest I can post the actual rankings according to our seeding formula.

*2/21/12 update: Arkansas did not find a human coach unfortunately. Arizona State did, and they have not indicated they do not want to participate, so hopefully that game will be scheduled. I basically had 2 options - run with the schedule I generated after the tourneys ended (which included Arkansas but left Tennessee out) or revise the schedule to remove simai Arkansas and slot most everyone else "up" one game, which in some cases resulted in repeats of this season, so some teams had to slide 2 slots, but all the humans in both conferences who wish to participate get to.  The second option is what is presented here, but it means tougher draws for most SEC teams (based on the 2 season rankings system we use...) I'm not crazy for this option, but it made more sense to let all the humans in then to have someone left out while a SEC sim got in...
  • UCLA    @    KENTUCKY
  • LSU    @    STANFORD
  • WASHINGTON ST    @    VANDERBILT
  • FLORIDA    @    ARIZONA
  • MISSISSIPPI    @    CAL
  • ALABAMA    @    WASHINGTON
  • USC    @    MISSISSIPPI ST
  • GEORGIA    @    FRESNO ST
  • OREGON ST    @    S CAROLINA
  • HAWAII    @    AUBURN
  • TENNESSEE    @    ARIZONA ST (WEEK 4)

*ALL GAMES ARE SCHEDULED. THANKS EVERYONE.  GOOD LUCK, AND HAVE FUN!
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