3/23/2012 10:41 AM
According to NFL.com, Tebow chose NY over hometown Jacksonville because he felt It gave him a better chance to become a starter again. Sanchez is gonna have trouble getting the knot out of his panties after reading that
3/23/2012 10:44 AM
No.  You are still for some reason not comprehending......

Michael Huff - Safety.  Next safety taken was Donte Whitner.  Advantage Oakland.
JaMarcus Russell - QB.  Next QB taken was Brady Quinn.  Advantage Cleveland (not by much though)

I am looking back with 20/20 vision.  However, when a team drafts to fill a need in the high first round FOUR TIMES in a decade, and none of the players selected turn out to be Pro-Bowlers, and only 1 (Al Toon) is even an average NFLer....   and the same position was drafted soon afterwards with a HOFer.....    Your team sucks at drafting and is mismanaged.  Once anything can happen.  Twice could be coincidence.  Three and Four times in a decade is a pattern.  Especially with no well spent picks that I omitted.  Not like I cherrypicked 4 bad picks.
3/23/2012 10:45 AM
Posted by Jtpsops on 3/23/2012 10:36:00 AM (view original):
49ers took Smith #1 overall. The next 22 teams went non-QB. Then came a guy named Rodgers, arguably the best QB in the game today. I'm sure at least 18 of those teams would take Rodgers now, if they had it to do over. Many teams have stories about missed picks
Yes.  But only SF can say they picked a QUARTERBACK over Rodgers.  Other teams can say...  "yeah, but we didn't need a QB".
3/23/2012 10:48 AM
So if the Colts still had Manning, and he was guaranteed to be healthy, they could get a pass on not drafting Luck or RG3, since they had more pressing needs?
3/23/2012 10:52 AM

You're pretending that the 50+ picks by teams before Smith/Rice/Marino wouldn't have changed with the same hindsight you're using.  That's silly and you know it.   McMahon was the Bears QB at the time of the '85 draft.   They had two picks before Marino.   Your contention seems to be that the Bears, had they known what Marino would have become, would have said "No.  We drafted McMahon in '82.  He's doing a good job.  Our needs are T and WR.  We'll stick with Covert and Gault.  Someone else can have Marino."

3/23/2012 10:58 AM
That's a poor example, jtpops.   Because, with a healthy Manning and a committment to use him for the next 3-4 seasons, the Colts would do exactly that.  They'd have traded the pick to address needs for the end of Manning's run.
3/23/2012 11:00 AM
Quite a few notes here:

1) Rice/Marino/Smith might not have become Rice/Marino/Smith if drafted by the Jets.
2) If the Raiders drafted Leinhart there's a chance they wouldn't have been bad enough the next season to get Calvin Johnson anyway.
3) As far as drafting you have to put it in context here as far as value at draft time. If Luck and RGIII are both hurt or are terrible or whatever, and Ryan Tannehill gets drafted like 14th and becomes an amazing QB, bashing the Colts and Redskins for not taking Tannehill 1st or 2nd probably isn't right.
3/23/2012 11:37 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/23/2012 10:58:00 AM (view original):
That's a poor example, jtpops.   Because, with a healthy Manning and a committment to use him for the next 3-4 seasons, the Colts would do exactly that.  They'd have traded the pick to address needs for the end of Manning's run.
That's precisely my point. If the best guy on the board is at a position you truly can't use him at, you trade the pick to someone who really values him. That didn't happen in the examples given in this thread, so clearly those players were not rated as highly at the time as we see them now. Could bad scouting factor in? Sure, but that many teams, even with an established QB, are not going to pass on a guy who projects to be the best of all time at his position. History makes it clear that certain guys, for whatever reason, get a hell of a lot better after draft day
3/23/2012 11:37 AM
Posted by Jtpsops on 3/23/2012 10:48:00 AM (view original):
So if the Colts still had Manning, and he was guaranteed to be healthy, they could get a pass on not drafting Luck or RG3, since they had more pressing needs?
yes and no.  Yes if Manning were like 28.  No, since he is 36.  The Packers had a healthy Favre in 2005.  They took Rodgers.  Favre was over 35.  They needed to start thinking about his replacement.  The Colts should have drafted Luck or RG III if they had the chance this year healthy Peyton or not.  QB was a need they were going to have soon enough.
3/23/2012 12:16 PM
Posted by stinenavy on 3/23/2012 11:00:00 AM (view original):
Quite a few notes here:

1) Rice/Marino/Smith might not have become Rice/Marino/Smith if drafted by the Jets.
2) If the Raiders drafted Leinhart there's a chance they wouldn't have been bad enough the next season to get Calvin Johnson anyway.
3) As far as drafting you have to put it in context here as far as value at draft time. If Luck and RGIII are both hurt or are terrible or whatever, and Ryan Tannehill gets drafted like 14th and becomes an amazing QB, bashing the Colts and Redskins for not taking Tannehill 1st or 2nd probably isn't right.

These are some valid points.

1. Emmitt Smith on virtually any other team would not have been nearly as good.  Dallas had the right combination of HUGE run blockers and a dart-throwing QB to make it work.  Emmitt Smith on the Jets would have been Blair Thomas.
2. The Raiders drafted Leinart when his name was Marinovich.
3. If you want to see a history of inept team management, read Bill Simmons column in Grantland about the Golden State Warriors.  Holy ****, I'm kind of a Warrior fan, and even I forgot some of the idiotic moves they made.  The Jets are nothing compared to the GSW.

3/23/2012 12:19 PM
3/23/2012 12:22 PM
Emmitt Smith on the Jets would have been Blair Thomas?  So...  he would go from 18,355 to 2,236 yards?  I know Emmitt Smith would definitely have not been the same....   but 2,236 yards in his career?
3/23/2012 12:25 PM
Wow, way to be over-literal.
3/23/2012 12:53 PM
Sorry Todd.   When you deal with some people here sometimes, you scour over every word you are going to write, because any one word that you use that might be misconstrued winds up being 30 pages of crap slinging.  I know you likely did not think Emmitt would be a 2200 yard career rusher.  He would likely still have been a HOFer.  If Curtis Martin could do what he did with the Jets, so could Emmitt.  They were similar runners, grinding out their yards without the help of many 50+ yard runs.
3/23/2012 1:00 PM

Well, when the one word(or sentence in this case) implies that Tebow has less value to a NFL than a ping pong ball, you get what you deserve.  Overreact and you'll be mocked. 

Anyway, if a team thinks "He'll be one of the best ever as his position but we're solid there" and passes on the player in the draft, they're inept.   That's not what happened with the Jets.

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