I just noticed two elites in a world that went to level 1 bowls. These schools have had these same coaches for a number of seasons now. To me this is not acceptable. I believe if an elite goes to a level 1 bowl that this should merit an automatic firing. Also if you finish outside of the Top 40, fired. At the least if it happens outside of 3 seasons of a coaches tenure.


These are supposed to be elites. High standards should apply.

I know, I know. The engine comes first. But I believe this merits some due consideration in the future.

I'd love to at least in one world see a sliding scale elite status too someday. Meaning being elite comes and goes with a schools success.

I think a large part of the "elite" myth is the fact that nobody knows exactly what the buff is, so every time someone loses a recruit to an elite, it's because of the elite status. Nobody even considers rep, distance, or how much effort the elite coach might have put in. It's too easy to blame it on the elite status. It's a convenient excuse, like "their academic standards aren't as high as ours", or "we don't oversign".

As you said, I'm for a sliding scale. Any school can be elite, whether you are in the MAC or the SEC. If Penn State goes 8-5, 10-3, 9-4, 7-6 should they still be a top team? NO.

I'm also for logic in firing pertaining to where the program is at the beginning of each coach's tenure. For the sake of argument, lets say there are five levels of schools:

Elites
Contenders
Pack
Easy Wins
Cellar Dwellers

If a coach takes over a team in the "pack," where the majority of average teams are, then they should have a certain winning % and rankings expectation to maintain their job. If they drop below that for 3ish seasons, they are relegated to "Easy Wins." If a team drops to the level below the one they were at when the coach took over, then that should result in firing.

Put another way: The wonderful, masterful, all knowing jibe takes over an "Easy Win" team. They were 5-8 the season before he arrived, and had dwelled in the 5-7 win range for the past 10 seasons. Well, jibe kicks butt in recruiting, and his first season they go 8-5. Then, they follow that up with 9-4 and 11-2 seasons, with Level 3 bowls. At this point, jibe and his team would be bumped up to Pack status. Then, a season later, he has a great run, finishes the Regular season at 12-1, and makes the Orange Bowl. He's bumped up to a contender.

Well, now that he's a contender, he's ready to roll, but, he can't devote as much time to the team. They begin slipping, going 9-4, 8-5, then 5-8. They drop back to pack status. The next season is disastorous, resulting in a mere 2 wins. They go back to Easy Win status.

This is where my idea kind of breaks up; now that he's back to Easy win, he should be a) fired, for not improving the team, or b) he should remain until they drop into cellar dweller. I haven't thought through that part yet.

Anyhoo, This would allow for leniency for coaches who built their teams out of nothing, and be rigid for those who take over elites. One slipup, you're done.

Caesari, when are you coming to DII RMAC in Heisman??? Babcick, Bhouska and myself are waiting to rape u

Deliverance style.

Posted by babcick on 7/1/2012 11:21:00 PM (view original):
Deliverance style.

I sure hope that scene isn't caesaris favorite movie scene of all time.

aw hell this thread went where few others have ventured. Jeez I'm laughing ,choking and shaking my head all at one time.

Welcome to the Deliverance Bowl in the beautiful state of  wva..............where the Arkansas razorbacks(think squeal like a pig) play host to the  hmmmmmm  Toledo Rockets (think Phalic symbol).Jerry Sandusky will be doing the coin toss via court TV.


sorry bored as hell.Daytona week starts for me at 8am !!

Posted by babcick on 7/1/2012 11:21:00 PM (view original):
Deliverance style.

With no lube!  LOL.

Great feedback, great discussion.

Anyhoo, maybe I'll grab a team on my Hyeena account. And then come join you. But I sure as hell am not leaving D1 (until I get fired of course).

Posted by mikesy on 7/2/2012 2:01:00 AM (view original):
aw hell this thread went where few others have ventured. Jeez I'm laughing ,choking and shaking my head all at one time.

Et tu, Mikesy?

Posted by mikesy on 7/2/2012 2:01:00 AM (view original):
aw hell this thread went where few others have ventured. Jeez I'm laughing ,choking and shaking my head all at one time.

"laughing ,choking and shaking my head all at one time."

*****-in-your-mouth syndrome?  Lmao.

Thanks caesari for taking my thread off topic.

I'm almost tempted to flag your posts.

Now I understand better when you squeal like a pig

i'd like to see more rigor in the elite coach job status ring, seeing as how i'm surrounded by a handful of them at michigan state.  when notre dame transitioned I was able to pick up a future 1st round OL =]