8/12/2012 8:45 PM
Is there a list of all the scholarship messages somewhere and a ranking of where they are in terms of winning to losing a battle?

Seems like something someone would have filed somewhere.
4/8/2013 5:30 PM (edited)
I was also wondering if there was a list of scholarship messages and their interpretations, but I ran a search and this is all I could find. So I thought I'd try my hand at starting one. Feel free to chime in if you think I'm misinterpreting something, or if you have other messages to add. 

1. If I had to give you an answer now, I'd say no, but I just can't decide. Okay, so this one is kinda obvious. Behind. 

1A. The offer is great, but I don't know enough about you or your program to say yes right now. Got this one when another team jumped on the consideration list and I didn't. So definitely behind. 

1B. Thanks for the offer. I like your program, but I need more information before I can say yes or no. Got this after #6 without any more effort, so if that was even or slightly ahead, this must be behind

2. You've said everything I needed to hear, can't wait to sign! Also obvious. Ahead. 

2A. If nothing changes, you've got yourself a player. Putting the obvious ones together. Also ahead

2B. You've sold me. If nothing changes. Also ahead

3. I'm on the fence right now. There are a couple other schools I really like too. I can't decide. This message appeared when no one else was on his considering list, so I think it means slightly ahead   I had misread my notes. This means you're behind. 

3A. You've said everything I need to hear, but so has another school. I can see myself playing for you, but I just can't decide. I might be making a mistake grouping this with message #3, but since it was the last message I received before the guy signed (and when I was the only one being considered), it definitely means slightly ahead

4. I'd be honored to play for you, but I'd be honored to play for a couple other schools too. I just need more time. This message appeared after I'd had a #2-style message and been the only person considered. When this message appeared, others joined the consideration list. So it either means I've gone from way ahead to slightly ahead, to slightly behind, or to even. I'm guessing even. This, however, was just a guess. Tianyi is much more experienced than me, and he says behind. 

5. Can't say yes or no right now. I'm about to visit campus of another school. I'd like to learn more about your school though. This was the last message I received before I eventually dropped off his consideration list, so I'm guessing it means solidly behind

6. I'm really struggling, you have a nice program and your school is great, but it's such a big decision. I need more time. Got this after I popped onto the consideration list alongside another school. So it means not solidly behind anymore. Not sure if it's slightly behind, slightly ahead, or even. Guessing even. Again, a guess, and tianyi says behind.  Presumably very slightly behind.

7. You have a little more selling to do. Don't get me wrong, you're close, but other schools have indicated possible interest. Got this after #1B and one more home visit. So if that was behind, this means it's close. Even? Slightly ahead? My guess is even. Again, a guess, again, tianyi says slightly behind. Apparently tianyi doesn't believe in any "even" messages. Update: I recently got this message after I had put effort in but the recruit was not considering anyone. It took five phone calls and five letters to move from this message to a #11 message, which I interpret as clearly ahead. I'm not sure what would've happened if I hadn't sent any letters, but I think it's clear that no one else was in this battle, and if it's not ahead, it's so close to ahead that extremely minimal effort will move it into ahead. 

8. I love your program, but I need to give each school my full attention. Got this after getting message #7 and sending another HV. So if that was even, this is probably slightly ahead. After one more visit, I was into 2B territory

9. I can't say yes right now. I'm supposed to visit the campus of another school. I should know more after that. On the surface, this looks a lot like #5, which would indicate being behind, but I don't think it's quite the same. First of all, I got this message just one cycle after a #2-type message, and I only needed one HV to push it back into #2-type territory. I think, despite similarities in form, #5 says "I'd like to know more about you," and this says "I'm learning more about them." So #5 is a warning that you're behind but have a chance to catch up. I think this is a warning that you're slightly ahead but someone else is closing fast. From darnoc's comments, I amend my guess to slightly behind. It has to be slight either way if only one HV changes it to #2, but if you get it before somebody signs elsewhere, I guess it's behind. Chichisteve confirms behind

10. Thanks for the offer. I really like your program, but I have other options I want to check out. I have no idea what to think about this one. I received it a couple cycles after a #2-style message, and it took three visits over three cycles to get into a #11-style message, but there were no intervening messages saying I'd gone from slightly behind to even. So maybe this is another slightly ahead? An even? A slightly behind? I just don't know. Hawkfan says he received this message a cycle before a target signed elsewhere, so behind. 

11. I'm struggling. Your school and program is fantastic, but it's such a big decision. I'm very close to making my decision though. I suspect that this is as far ahead as you can be during the signing period without getting them to sign. It looks like a strong message, and it came after I'd put in three HVs after #10. After a couple cycles of not giving any more HVs, I dropped to a #6-style message. So if that's even, this must be ahead


12. You offer means a lot to me. I could see myself there next year, but another school is offering me to make a name for myself, and that's really appealing. I just need more time. Got this message right before the 8AM cycle on the last day. I won on the 8 AM cycle of the last day. So I guess this must be slightly ahead

13. You're on my very short list, but I still need more information. In the past, I had gotten this message, and one more HV got me into 3A territory. So if I've categorized 3A correctly, this message must mean it's very, very close. However, today I got this message from a recruit who signed elsewhere the next cycle. So it must be behind. I'm guessing slightly behind. 

14. You're on my very short list. I can't say yes until I've made my final campus visits, but  as it stands right now, you're my top choice. Obvious ahead message is obvious. 

10/3/2012 3:11 PM
tarvolon, were any of those messages received by players you didn't start recruiting until after signings began? IE, after signings did you send effort to a kid and get one of those #3 messages the next cycle and he signed cycle after?
10/3/2012 3:48 PM
This is one I think might be difficult to assign some, because we just don't know all the actions that you can't see. One I disagree with is 3. I would say it's either even or slightly behind. Like you need somehting more to boost him.
10/3/2012 4:09 PM
I agree poncho, I just recently got #3 and then the player signed elsewhere the next cycle.

of course I don't know if any effort was made by the other team either.
10/3/2012 6:14 PM
You three are right. I had misread my log. I received #3 when I had put forth effort but NO ONE was being considered. I misread it as when only I was being considered. 

In this case, #3 and #3A should not be categorized together, as #3A is slightly ahead and #3 is not. 
10/3/2012 6:15 PM
Posted by dacj501 on 10/3/2012 3:11:00 PM (view original):
tarvolon, were any of those messages received by players you didn't start recruiting until after signings began? IE, after signings did you send effort to a kid and get one of those #3 messages the next cycle and he signed cycle after?
Yes, #3A fit that description. 
10/3/2012 6:33 PM
Posted by tarvolon on 10/3/2012 6:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by dacj501 on 10/3/2012 3:11:00 PM (view original):
tarvolon, were any of those messages received by players you didn't start recruiting until after signings began? IE, after signings did you send effort to a kid and get one of those #3 messages the next cycle and he signed cycle after?
Yes, #3A fit that description. 
in this scenario the message is (IMO) largely irrelevant. If it says he is considering you and only you he will sign next cycle unless someone else comes along. I've had lots of variations on messages like this where I initiated contact after signings began...
10/3/2012 6:41 PM
Posted by dacj501 on 10/3/2012 6:33:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tarvolon on 10/3/2012 6:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by dacj501 on 10/3/2012 3:11:00 PM (view original):
tarvolon, were any of those messages received by players you didn't start recruiting until after signings began? IE, after signings did you send effort to a kid and get one of those #3 messages the next cycle and he signed cycle after?
Yes, #3A fit that description. 
in this scenario the message is (IMO) largely irrelevant. If it says he is considering you and only you he will sign next cycle unless someone else comes along. I've had lots of variations on messages like this where I initiated contact after signings began...
Yes, the message is irrelevant, as you can see just by the consideration list that you're in the lead. My thought was that that also makes the message easy to decipher. It may look convoluted, but if I'm the only one he's considering, I know that means i'm in the lead. Which means I can mark that down as a "leading" message, and if I ever see it again, I know what it means. Unless the messages change their meaning, which would be bizarre and annoying. 
10/3/2012 6:47 PM
Posted by tarvolon on 10/3/2012 6:41:00 PM (view original):
Posted by dacj501 on 10/3/2012 6:33:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tarvolon on 10/3/2012 6:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by dacj501 on 10/3/2012 3:11:00 PM (view original):
tarvolon, were any of those messages received by players you didn't start recruiting until after signings began? IE, after signings did you send effort to a kid and get one of those #3 messages the next cycle and he signed cycle after?
Yes, #3A fit that description. 
in this scenario the message is (IMO) largely irrelevant. If it says he is considering you and only you he will sign next cycle unless someone else comes along. I've had lots of variations on messages like this where I initiated contact after signings began...
Yes, the message is irrelevant, as you can see just by the consideration list that you're in the lead. My thought was that that also makes the message easy to decipher. It may look convoluted, but if I'm the only one he's considering, I know that means i'm in the lead. Which means I can mark that down as a "leading" message, and if I ever see it again, I know what it means. Unless the messages change their meaning, which would be bizarre and annoying. 
Occam's razor tells me there is no reason the meaning would be different, so your thinking is probably right. but my gut tells me something else. My gut is usually wrong on HD...
10/3/2012 6:51 PM
Well, either I figure out what the message means, or I have some hard evidence to reference when I complain to CS that the messages change meaning. 
11/21/2012 11:21 AM
Any ideas on this one?
Coach, I really appreciate you having enough faith in me to extend a scholarship offer.  I hope that you have enough faith to wait for me to visit another school.  Unless they show me something, I should be playing for you next season.
This is after a longish battle.  Been at least slightly ahead until now.  It sounds like slightly ahead because of the last sentence, but it makes me uneasy to get a scholarship message after being ahead.

11/23/2012 12:57 AM
Yeah, that sounds like slightly ahead, but it does make you uneasy. How did that one turn out? 

I got this one a couple days ago at the beginning of a battle with a very persistent Sim. Coach, I really appreciate you having enough faith in me to extend me a scholarship offer. I hope that you have enough faith to wait for me to visit some other schools - they really have made their programs sound great and to be honest, I'm not sure where I'll be next year.

After two HVs, I was to "you're on my shortlist, but I need more information." One more HV got me to 3A. So I'm assuming "shortlist" means very, very close either way and the other one I got means behind. 

12/12/2012 4:31 PM
10. Thanks for the offer. I really like your program, but I have other options I want to check out. This means you're behind.  I got this after receiving #2 the cycle before.  I put forth more effort, but he signed with the other team with no further messages.
12/12/2012 4:46 PM (edited)
4. I'd be honored to play for you, but I'd be honored to play for a couple other schools too. I just need more time. -- I am very confident this is the behind message.

6. I'm really struggling, you have a nice program and your school is great, but it's such a big decision. I need more time. -- slightly behind

7. You have a little more selling to do. Don't get me wrong, you're close, but other schools have indicated possible interest. --- you are slightly behind

11. I'm struggling. Your school and program is fantastic, but it's such a big decision. I'm very close to making my decision though. I suspect that this is as far ahead as you can be during the signing period without getting them to sign. It looks like a strong message, and it came after I'd put in three HVs after #10. After a couple cycles of not giving any more HVs, I dropped to a #6-style message. So if that's even, this must be ahead

I agree #11 is ahead.

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