Posted by burnsy483 on 8/20/2012 1:16:00 PM (view original):
Because they do jobs alongside each other and are in constant interaction with each other.  They also ultimately both work for MLB.

Can you think of another profession, in general, where you don't have to worry about job security? I can only think of supreme court justices.

Posted by burnsy483 on 8/20/2012 1:22:00 PM (view original):
And now I'm thinking about unions, and that it's harder in general to get fired when you're part of one.

My point is that I understand his frustration.  Mark works with umpires every time he plays, and he knows that while his performance is judged always and he can lose his job if it's not up to par, the umpires he works alongside are not losing their job if they perform poorly.  And if there was that possibility, maybe some of them would be better at their jobs.  That's all.

Posted by dahsdebater on 8/20/2012 2:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 8/20/2012 1:16:00 PM (view original):
Because they do jobs alongside each other and are in constant interaction with each other.  They also ultimately both work for MLB.

Can you think of another profession, in general, where you don't have to worry about job security? I can only think of supreme court justices.

Anyone with tenure...  Faculty, docs at some high-end hospitals, etc.

Equity partners in major law firms.

Anyone who owns their company.

Posted by AlCheez on 8/20/2012 3:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 8/20/2012 1:22:00 PM (view original):
And now I'm thinking about unions, and that it's harder in general to get fired when you're part of one.

My point is that I understand his frustration.  Mark works with umpires every time he plays, and he knows that while his performance is judged always and he can lose his job if it's not up to par, the umpires he works alongside are not losing their job if they perform poorly.  And if there was that possibility, maybe some of them would be better at their jobs.  That's all.

Let's not make his frustration any more noble than it is. He was ****** because a particular umpire/set of umpires did something he didn't like, and because he apparently thinks umpires in general are out to get his team. He has some nice talking points that makes him sound more reasoned though.

Posted by MikeT23 on 8/20/2012 2:04:00 PM (view original):
The umpires are part of a union.

Mark is paid well.  Mark has a guaranteed contract.  He will be paid, in full, for the duration of that contract.  
Umpires are paid well but not as well as Mark.  Umpires have a contract with MLB.   They are paid, in full, for the duration of that contract.

If MLB deems an ump, or a group of umps, to be inadequate, they can negotiate them out of MLB during the next contract negotiation.

Posted by burnsy483 on 8/20/2012 3:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by AlCheez on 8/20/2012 3:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 8/20/2012 1:22:00 PM (view original):
And now I'm thinking about unions, and that it's harder in general to get fired when you're part of one.

My point is that I understand his frustration.  Mark works with umpires every time he plays, and he knows that while his performance is judged always and he can lose his job if it's not up to par, the umpires he works alongside are not losing their job if they perform poorly.  And if there was that possibility, maybe some of them would be better at their jobs.  That's all.

Let's not make his frustration any more noble than it is. He was ****** because a particular umpire/set of umpires did something he didn't like, and because he apparently thinks umpires in general are out to get his team. He has some nice talking points that makes him sound more reasoned though.

He's ****** because they did a poor job in that instant, and there likely won't be repercussions for their actions.  I doubt he thinks umpires are out to get the Orioles. 

Posted by burnsy483 on 8/20/2012 3:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 8/20/2012 2:04:00 PM (view original):
The umpires are part of a union.

Mark is paid well.  Mark has a guaranteed contract.  He will be paid, in full, for the duration of that contract.  
Umpires are paid well but not as well as Mark.  Umpires have a contract with MLB.   They are paid, in full, for the duration of that contract.

If MLB deems an ump, or a group of umps, to be inadequate, they can negotiate them out of MLB during the next contract negotiation.

We both know, as does Reynolds, that MLB is extremely unlikely to negotiate umpires out of the game.

Posted by burnsy483 on 8/20/2012 3:27:00 PM (view original):
If an umpire makes a bad decision, it doesn't mean he's "out to get" the team he hurt.  It doesn't also mean a player on that team can't be upset at that umpire's performance.

Posted by AlCheez on 8/20/2012 3:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 8/20/2012 3:27:00 PM (view original):
If an umpire makes a bad decision, it doesn't mean he's "out to get" the team he hurt.  It doesn't also mean a player on that team can't be upset at that umpire's performance.

Again, Reynolds SAID this. He said was like Screw the Orioles out there, cited another call from another game, and gave the whole "I can't say what I really think" routine, but that it was "pretty obvious."

If Davidson is still in the game, MLB isn't negotiating anyone out. He has been terrible for a long time, especially in this current series between the O's and Rangers (both ways).

Mike...you keep saying "players and umps aren't the same!". You're right - umps (and authority figures in general) should be held MORE accountable than those they have authority over. If a person in authority abuses it or can't handle it, then they shouldn't have that job, period.

And sorry, but I find it laughable if you actually believe no umps ever make a bad call out of spite. If there's a close/judgment call, some will go against a player they don't like or have had run-ins with. Those players/managers will also get a much quicker hook. Umps make emotional decisions all the time. And no, I don't have proof, because I can't get in their heads - but it seems pretty obvious to anyone but you.