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4/16/2013 7:07 PM
I think the bad teams will win because 0% pitching (which this will likely come to around playoff time) will get shelled by Little Leaguers in this sim, especially when given little in the way of help from their defense. A fatigue team is going to have to be very careful to keep some usable pitchers in the 60s-70s to have a chance...

Had the pitching been a non-factor I probably would've gone for the fatigue teams...
4/16/2013 7:24 PM
I think it wil be a very balanced league depending on how the teams are managed. If the fatigue teams play it just to win then I think they have an advantage (using the classic fatigue strategy). However, if the fatigue teams play it straight and try to win they should be able to keep their whole staff in the 70% range, at worst. From my small sample of two test leagues pitchers with around a .220 OAV, WHIP of 0.95 and BB/9 of 1.00 will finish up around .275/1.35/1.90 depending on ballparks and normalizations; which is very close to the stat lines the bad teams are starting with (though my team has a much better starting line than the one above, but they'll also be pitching into the 70% range). I expect the fatigue teams to jump out to a quick lead and then fade down the stretch, but they should still be just competitive enough. 
4/17/2013 2:10 PM

From my research... It's gonna be pretty close, with probably a 55/45 bias TOWARDS the fatigue teams. 

4/17/2013 5:49 PM
Next time make it a bigger league with more teams biglenr: I had worked to put together what I think was a nice, plausible fatigue team with a network of complex tandems, lots of IP/G to help make starters and relievers interchangeable, platoons, etc. to try to max out the few IP and PA ...well, next time hopefully there will be more places available. 
4/19/2013 9:22 AM
Sorry about that... I didn't expect such interest.  It's going to be interesting.

AS it is, one owner left.   I need a bad team to play.  I could accept a fatigue team by switching another willing owner.  Please let me know if anyone is interested

By the way... Some strategies can well mitigate the early season advantages that fatigue teams will have, and I think the experience level of the owner and how well he drafts and manages his team will be key to success for either types of teams.
4/22/2013 2:30 PM
Something else that crossed my mind, that makes it harder to judge is that we see a guy at 80% and we think "oh gosh, he's at 80% how is he doing so well!?" But we forget that a number of those appearances were at 100% or in the 90% range.... He's at 80%, but when you compile all of his performances his average fatigue was probably somewhere around 90-95% (depending on how many 100% appearances there were). So, realistically, he's played at that average percentage and not at the percentage he's finished at. 
4/22/2013 2:35 PM
That's true and also a good point j4m...the whole of his PAs were not at that 80% mark. But you can also click on the player and look at his last 10 games. When I do that, I often do not see major dips as you would expect for a fatigued player.
4/23/2013 10:10 AM
And away we go... first games are tomorrow. 

My prediction:  Fatigue teams go on 30-40 game season opening tear.... teams are roughly equal for another 70-80 games.... Then bad teams go on end of season tear, and dominate in playoffs.
4/25/2013 2:08 PM
Small sample size, but 5 games in only 1 of the 8 bad teams has a winning record (3-2). All 8 fatigue teams have a winning record.
4/26/2013 11:22 AM
After 8 games... One bad team has a 0.94 WHIP (incredible, real live WHIP's must be over 1.40) and one bad team has a winning record.  Fatigue is just starting to kick in for the fatigue teams.  Now we see how they do. 
4/26/2013 12:53 PM
Many people have said that fielding is the first thing affected by fatigue. At our 8 game mark (everyone 100% so far) here is a SMALL SAMPLE baseline of the current fielding of the league.

Team GP PO A E DP FPCT
B - Tennessee Jeds Bad Brethern 7 177 88 0 20 1.000
B - Id rather be Bad than Tired 7 188 92 1 26 .996
F - Malaise Trappers 7 183 60 2 8 .992
F - Man are we Tired 7 195 75 3 12 .989
B - (REALLY) Bad Dilligafs 7 173 67 3 13 .988
F - High Energy 7 201 77 4 22 .986
LEAGUE AVERAGE 7 186 76 4 16 .985
B - Were a Bad Bad Team 7 189 74 4 13 .985
B - STINKIN @ Bank One 7 173 93 4 20 .985
B - Bad Enough to Beat Fatigue 7 189 79 5 20 .982
F - Sleeping in Chavez Ravine 7 189 80 5 25 .982
B - Suffolk Sidewinders 7 177 78 5 8 .981
F - You Wear Me Out 7 189 72 5 23 .981
F - This team is sick 7 183 72 6 13 .977
B - If We Win, Then You Suck 7 184 72 6 23 .977
F - I need caffeine! Greenies! Now! 7 192 56 6 6 .976
F - Sick with Fatigue 7 198 76 7 12 .975
4/29/2013 12:18 PM
After 13 games.... Fatigue is starting to make the short IP and PA teams suffer a bit....The 2 best records in the league belong to "bad" teams, and the bad teams are leading both mixed divisions. 

Injuries are playing a toll... One owner who thought to sacrifice a player to safe some of his staff saw 4 injuries in a single game....

Half of my team is in "Red" fatigue status.
4/29/2013 2:36 PM
Fielding effects after 17 games (now that Damp is off) - fatigue teams have fallen to below the league average for the most part.

Team GP PO A E DP FPCT
Id rather be Bad than Tired 17 458 208 2 52 .997
Tennessee Jeds Bad Brethern 17 444 168 3 29 .995
(REALLY) Bad Dilligafs 17 442 175 9 38 .986
Suffolk Sidewinders 17 458 175 9 23 .986
Were a Bad Bad Team 17 464 164 10 28 .984
Sleeping in Chavez Ravine 17 458 172 11 50 .983
Bad Enough to Beat Fatigue 17 465 182 12 41 .982
If We Win, Then You Suck 17 448 199 12 46 .982
Malaise Trappers 17 456 171 14 32 .978
LEAGUE AVERAGE 17 451 177 18 36 .972
High Energy 17 453 163 20 37 .969
STINKIN @ Bank One 17 449 211 22 43 .968
Man are we Tired 17 444 174 28 29 .957
This team is sick 17 450 172 28 36 .957
I need caffeine! Greenies! Now! 17 449 151 29 25 .954
You Wear Me Out 17 438 169 32 45 .950
Sick with Fatigue 17 446 180 39 30 .941
4/30/2013 2:34 PM (edited)
20 game leaders - Hitting
Rank Name SN G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO HBP SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS STRK L STRK
1 Lowenstein, John 1982 17 58 15 26 6 0 2 15 12 8 0 0 0 .448 .543 .655 1.198 3 8
2 Rodriguez, Ivan 2000 17 69 15 22 5 1 5 21 4 1 0 0 0 .319 .356 .638 .994 4 7
3 Joyce, Bill 1891 16 50 11 13 2 2 3 8 13 6 2 7 2 .260 .431 .560 .991 2 5
4 Dimaggio, Joe 1949 17 54 6 17 4 0 3 11 11 7 0 0 0 .315 .431 .556 .986 2 3
5 Tinker, Joe 1908 19 80 14 26 6 3 4 22 4 3 0 0 0 .325 .349 .625 .974 3 3
6 Lowenstein, John 1982 15 55 13 19 3 2 1 11 9 4 0 1 0 .345 .438 .527 .965 13 13
7 Anderson, John 1904 20 78 13 30 6 1 1 11 3 4 1 5 3 .385 .415 .526 .940 2 10
8 Tovar, Cesar 1968 20 87 20 31 6 1 1 18 4 5 5 1 2 .356 .417 .483 .899 8 8
9 Fernandez, Tony 1989 20 73 9 26 4 0 2 10 4 2 1 2 1 .356 .397 .493 .891 7 7
10 Sheckard, Jimmy 1907 19 73 19 23 8 0 0 14 17 0 0 0 0 .315 .444 .425 .869 2 6
11 Lajoie, Nap 1899 19 60 8 17 2 1 3 6 5 4 2 1 3 .283 .358 .500 .858 3 4
12 Ritchey, Claude 1908 17 62 10 22 1 1 0 18 9 2 2 0 0 .355 .452 .403 .855 5 5
13 Milligan, Jocko 1889 18 68 4 23 6 0 1 20 3 6 2 0 0 .338 .378 .471 .849 1 7
14 Lowe, Bobby 1898 20 74 11 23 2 3 2 8 4 4 0 0 1 .311 .346 .500 .846 7 7
15 Slagle, Jimmy 1905 20 80 9 27 5 0 0 9 15 5 0 0 0 .338 .438 .400 .838 13 13
16 Lajoie, Nap 1899 19 72 11 25 4 1 1 11 2 5 0 3 1 .347 .365 .472 .837 2 5
17 Devlin, Art 1907 20 77 13 26 5 1 0 3 8 5 1 2 3 .338 .407 .429 .836 8 8
18 Robinson, Brooks 1969 20 79 11 21 3 1 5 14 6 8 0 0 0 .266 .314 .519 .833 0 5
19 Devlin, Art 1907 18 72 15 23 5 1 0 4 10 5 1 3 1 .319 .410 .417 .826 0 5
20 Wilson, Chief 1914 20 77 10 25 6 1 1 15 3 4 1 1 1 .325 .354 .468 .821 3 3


20 game leaders - Pitching

Rank Name SN G GS CG SHO W L SV SVO IP H R ER HR BB SO OAV OBP SLG WHIP ERA
1 Liriano, Francisco 2006 6 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 22.67 5 3 2 1 5 26 .069 .141 .139 0.44 0.79
2 Steele, Elmer 1908 6 4 0 0 2 0 0 0 24.67 11 3 3 1 0 5 .134 .143 .171 0.45 1.09
3 Pollet, Howie 1943 6 2 1 1 2 0 0 0 25.33 15 3 3 0 4 16 .163 .196 .185 0.75 1.07
4 Steele, Elmer 1908 7 5 0 0 0 2 0 0 20.33 15 7 4 0 3 4 .185 .214 .210 0.89 1.77
5 Daub, Dan 1895 5 5 1 1 2 1 0 0 33.33 19 5 5 0 11 16 .168 .248 .195 0.90 1.35
6 Ferrell, Wes 1934 5 5 0 0 4 1 0 0 28.33 23 9 9 0 3 12 .225 .266 .275 0.92 2.86
7 Nehf, Art 1919 5 5 0 0 0 1 0 0 21.00 19 5 2 2 2 6 .226 .241 .310 1.00 0.86
8 Lee, Thornton 1938 5 5 3 0 4 0 0 0 43.00 37 13 13 1 7 15 .230 .260 .292 1.02 2.72
9 Martinez, Pedro 2001 8 0 0 0 3 0 1 1 21.33 16 6 5 0 6 19 .200 .264 .213 1.03 2.11
10 Gomez, Lefty 1938 5 5 0 0 4 0 0 0 37.67 31 7 7 0 8 20 .225 .270 .261 1.04 1.67
11 Meekin, Jouett 1894 9 9 5 1 5 2 0 0 71.33 69 29 26 3 10 38 .250 .280 .319 1.11 3.28
12 Rusie, Amos 1894 10 10 1 0 5 3 0 0 71.33 55 20 18 1 27 39 .212 .286 .270 1.15 2.27
13 Rusie, Amos 1894 8 8 1 0 2 3 0 0 60.67 45 22 19 1 25 38 .202 .291 .305 1.15 2.82
14 Rusie, Amos 1894 10 10 4 0 4 5 0 0 76.33 69 43 38 1 22 49 .235 .294 .340 1.19 4.48
15 Meekin, Jouett 1894 10 10 0 0 6 1 0 0 71.67 63 20 17 2 23 38 .227 .290 .292 1.20 2.13
16 Ferrell, Wes 1931 7 7 0 0 3 2 0 0 41.67 28 12 9 1 23 31 .188 .301 .248 1.22 1.94
17 Menefee, Jock 1894 5 5 2 0 3 1 0 0 40.67 34 9 9 0 16 22 .233 .315 .281 1.23 1.99
18 Dowling, Pete 1899 4 4 2 1 2 0 0 0 32.33 26 11 9 1 15 5 .213 .314 .295 1.27 2.51
19 Bentley, Jack 1923 4 4 1 1 2 2 0 0 30.33 19 10 10 0 20 24 .181 .315 .257 1.29 2.97
20 Meekin, Jouett 1894 10 10 3 1 6 3 0 0 78.33 71 34 32 0 30 40 .236 .310 .306 1.29 3.68
4/30/2013 2:32 PM
So far, the normalized "bad" players are doing pretty well (note the 1894 pitchers and 1968 and 1907 hitters) and that proves that normalization is important. Other than that, the fatigue players are still leading in a majority of the categories.
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