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5/7/2013 9:45 AM
40 games in and fatigue is losing...badly. No fatigue teams are in the top 2 in the mixed divisions and on 1 fatigue team is .500. There are still some fatigue players leading the individual stats however.

Fielding stats
Team GP PO A E DP FPCT
Id rather be Bad than Tired 40 1087 455 11 106 .993
Tennessee Jeds Bad Brethern 40 1066 399 15 69 .990
Suffolk Sidewinders 40 1096 411 23 81 .985
Bad Enough to Beat Fatigue 40 1097 432 32 97 .980
(REALLY) Bad Dilligafs 40 1066 424 31 92 .980
Were a Bad Bad Team 40 1103 436 31 83 .980
If We Win, Then You Suck 40 1072 451 34 107 .978
STINKIN @ Bank One 40 1082 497 40 133 .975
LEAGUE AVERAGE 40 1070 425 57 95 .963
Malaise Trappers 40 1064 428 67 107 .957
Sleeping in Chavez Ravine 40 1077 436 77 112 .952
High Energy 40 1069 396 82 92 .947
I need caffeine! Greenies! Now! 40 1064 369 80 58 .947
This team is sick 40 1041 444 88 119 .944
You Wear Me Out 40 1057 367 94 87 .938
Man are we Tired 40 1053 400 100 89 .936
Sick with Fatigue 40 1031 448 103 91 .935

Team Hitting
Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO HBP SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Were a Bad Bad Team 40 1619 378 535 71 29 21 361 157 115 24 22 11 .330 .395 .449 .844
(REALLY) Bad Dilligafs 40 1518 302 489 87 16 14 283 129 148 16 23 24 .322 .379 .428 .807
Id rather be Bad than Tired 40 1486 272 422 72 13 42 255 126 145 14 19 17 .284 .344 .435 .779
Suffolk Sidewinders 40 1539 279 471 79 17 18 258 127 90 11 16 11 .306 .361 .415 .776
Tennessee Jeds Bad Brethern 40 1437 227 398 80 16 34 214 103 140 8 24 14 .277 .326 .426 .752
I need caffeine! Greenies! Now! 40 1433 232 385 79 13 34 226 133 245 18 9 10 .269 .336 .413 .749
Bad Enough to Beat Fatigue 40 1508 252 439 83 15 11 230 119 94 16 25 14 .291 .346 .388 .734
If We Win, Then You Suck 40 1460 237 388 70 6 11 216 200 112 17 0 0 .266 .359 .345 .704
LEAGUE AVERAGE 40 1437 216 380 64 13 21 203 132 189 14 18 11 .265 .331 .372 .703
STINKIN @ Bank One 40 1446 211 394 62 16 20 196 102 142 11 90 33 .272 .323 .379 .702
Malaise Trappers 40 1400 185 345 48 18 29 180 115 218 9 9 9 .246 .307 .369 .676
You Wear Me Out 40 1337 172 310 47 20 22 167 157 243 17 10 11 .232 .319 .346 .665
Sleeping in Chavez Ravine 40 1384 162 345 48 9 21 154 116 246 18 7 1 .249 .315 .342 .657
Man are we Tired 40 1367 173 306 52 6 25 165 160 272 13 18 7 .224 .309 .326 .635
High Energy 40 1390 148 317 61 14 14 141 82 241 10 8 8 .228 .275 .322 .597
Sick with Fatigue 40 1348 135 282 57 3 15 133 175 280 16 0 1 .209 .306 .289 .595
This team is sick 40 1314 87 258 27 3 9 74 106 295 6 10 6 .196 .259 .242 .501

Team Pitching
Team G CG SHO W L SV SVO IP H R ER HR BB SO OAV OBP SLG WHIP ERA
Were a Bad Bad Team 40 13 4 27 13 8 8 367.67 310 152 126 10 101 223 .223 .281 .311 1.12 3.08
If We Win, Then You Suck 40 6 4 28 12 7 7 357.33 274 124 109 5 148 227 .209 .294 .291 1.18 2.75
Bad Enough to Beat Fatigue 40 11 2 30 10 8 10 365.67 316 129 116 8 116 199 .228 .291 .297 1.18 2.86
Suffolk Sidewinders 40 7 4 27 13 8 13 365.33 309 131 117 9 124 212 .225 .293 .303 1.19 2.88
Sleeping in Chavez Ravine 40 0 0 20 20 11 19 359.00 335 169 123 13 95 195 .238 .291 .300 1.20 3.08
Id rather be Bad than Tired 40 7 3 25 15 11 17 362.33 333 133 127 14 124 179 .245 .313 .341 1.26 3.15
Malaise Trappers 40 0 0 18 22 12 14 354.67 353 172 133 16 110 209 .252 .310 .350 1.31 3.38
I need caffeine! Greenies! Now! 40 1 1 18 22 5 9 354.67 362 197 153 21 107 208 .251 .306 .348 1.32 3.88
High Energy 40 0 0 19 21 10 14 356.33 372 200 140 23 114 211 .256 .317 .352 1.36 3.54
STINKIN @ Bank One 40 12 4 23 17 4 4 360.67 378 175 146 6 117 120 .266 .327 .341 1.37 3.64
Tennessee Jeds Bad Brethern 40 2 2 21 19 5 9 355.33 319 158 150 17 179 235 .237 .331 .334 1.40 3.80
(REALLY) Bad Dilligafs 40 19 2 24 16 4 5 355.33 349 186 164 8 150 175 .253 .329 .343 1.40 4.15
LEAGUE AVERAGE 40 5 2 20 20 7 10 356.77 380 216 174 21 132 189 .265 .331 .372 1.43 4.40
You Wear Me Out 40 1 0 18 22 5 8 352.33 394 257 207 27 129 222 .267 .330 .382 1.48 5.29
Man are we Tired 40 0 0 12 28 6 9 351.00 438 288 189 26 157 170 .290 .357 .406 1.70 4.85
Sick with Fatigue 40 0 0 7 33 3 5 343.67 588 470 367 71 154 97 .360 .418 .585 2.16 9.61
This team is sick 40 0 0 3 37 1 1 347.00 654 511 421 66 182 144 .386 .451 .581 2.41 10.92

Top 25 hitters
Rank Name SN G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO HBP SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS STRK L STRK
1 Rodriguez, Ivan 2000 31 129 28 47 10 1 11 38 7 6 0 1 0 .364 .397 .713 1.110 4 7
2 Tinker, Joe 1908 37 158 44 60 11 7 7 46 14 7 2 0 0 .380 .432 .671 1.103 2 12
3 Weaver, Buck 1917 35 144 32 61 11 3 3 25 5 5 1 4 3 .424 .444 .604 1.048 2 23
4 Robinson, Brooks 1969 40 155 32 51 12 1 10 40 16 13 1 0 0 .329 .393 .613 1.006 13 13
5 Lowenstein, John 1982 35 133 32 44 7 0 9 32 19 29 0 0 0 .331 .414 .586 1.001 1 8
6 Devlin, Art 1907 38 155 43 58 11 2 1 17 23 9 3 5 5 .374 .464 .490 .954 8 17
7 White, Frank 1983 40 148 30 48 13 5 5 21 11 6 0 5 2 .324 .371 .581 .952 11 11
8 Milligan, Jocko 1889 35 124 11 45 15 0 3 30 6 8 2 0 0 .363 .396 .556 .952 0 7
9 Anderson, John 1904 39 174 35 64 15 1 3 27 8 8 3 5 3 .368 .405 .517 .923 1 19
10 Sheckard, Jimmy 1907 38 140 54 46 14 0 1 28 35 1 1 0 0 .329 .466 .450 .916 6 6
11 Tovar, Cesar 1968 38 174 53 63 10 4 1 31 11 6 9 5 3 .362 .428 .483 .911 11 11
12 Pickering, Ollie 1903 40 164 37 62 14 2 0 36 11 13 2 5 6 .378 .421 .488 .909 8 12
13 Joyce, Bill 1891 32 100 19 26 2 4 4 12 26 10 2 7 4 .260 .422 .480 .902 0 7
14 Lajoie, Nap 1899 35 127 22 37 8 5 5 18 7 7 3 2 3 .291 .343 .551 .894 5 7
15 Ritchey, Claude 1908 32 128 30 47 1 1 2 43 19 4 2 0 0 .367 .453 .438 .891 2 7
16 Donahue, Jiggs 1905 38 164 35 66 8 0 0 47 12 7 1 0 0 .402 .439 .451 .890 10 10
17 Rodriguez, Ivan 2000 36 144 19 47 5 3 6 29 7 16 0 1 0 .326 .358 .528 .885 8 8
18 Kling, Johnny 1908 31 133 20 43 11 1 5 26 5 12 0 2 1 .323 .348 .534 .882 1 10
19 Beckert, Glenn 1968 40 154 26 50 13 4 1 28 11 2 1 0 1 .325 .371 .481 .852 2 8
20 Stovall, George 1908 36 165 26 54 20 2 1 44 8 9 0 2 1 .327 .356 .491 .847 0 9
21 Dimaggio, Joe 1949 36 109 12 28 7 0 5 20 20 14 2 0 0 .257 .382 .459 .840 1 4
22 Lowenstein, John 1982 31 111 25 32 6 2 3 19 16 18 1 1 1 .288 .380 .459 .839 0 17
23 Donahue, Jiggs 1905 40 163 38 56 12 1 1 28 14 4 0 7 6 .344 .391 .448 .839 10 10
24 Campaneris, Bert 1968 40 162 37 57 12 2 0 22 7 11 2 10 6 .352 .386 .451 .837 8 13
25 Hartsel, Topsy 1906 40 167 31 55 10 1 0 24 28 10 3 0 0 .329 .430 .401 .831 3 7

Top 25 Pitchers
Rank Name SN G GS CG SHO W L SV SVO IP H R ER HR BB SO OAV OBP SLG WHIP ERA
1 Steele, Elmer 1908 10 8 0 0 3 2 0 0 41.00 22 11 5 1 1 11 .145 .160 .164 0.56 1.10
2 Daub, Dan 1895 10 10 1 1 5 1 0 0 68.33 40 12 9 1 20 34 .170 .241 .209 0.88 1.19
3 Ferrell, Wes 1934 10 10 0 0 7 1 0 0 55.33 44 13 13 1 12 24 .219 .275 .294 1.01 2.11
4 Ferrell, Wes 1931 14 14 1 1 8 3 0 0 91.33 60 21 18 1 35 59 .184 .268 .242 1.04 1.77
5 Rusie, Amos 1894 18 18 5 4 8 3 0 0 137.00 90 35 31 1 56 98 .184 .274 .266 1.07 2.04
6 Meekin, Jouett 1894 19 19 7 3 11 4 0 0 141.33 124 58 53 6 29 85 .229 .271 .303 1.08 3.38
7 Rusie, Amos 1894 20 20 5 3 11 5 0 0 152.67 112 46 39 2 55 97 .200 .273 .256 1.09 2.30
8 Meekin, Jouett 1894 20 20 2 1 12 3 0 0 144.67 120 46 40 3 40 74 .221 .281 .299 1.11 2.49
9 Gomez, Lefty 1938 10 10 1 1 7 1 0 0 78.00 68 18 18 3 19 53 .234 .283 .303 1.12 2.08
10 Clarke, Dad 1895 8 8 5 1 5 3 0 0 63.00 60 29 21 1 12 31 .249 .290 .311 1.14 3.00
11 Lee, Thornton 1938 10 10 4 0 6 1 0 0 79.00 68 31 28 2 26 32 .227 .287 .293 1.19 3.19
12 Rusie, Amos 1894 19 19 5 1 12 6 0 0 142.33 128 68 54 3 42 103 .235 .296 .342 1.19 3.41
13 Pollet, Howie 1943 12 8 1 1 2 4 0 0 42.33 40 15 14 1 11 27 .241 .287 .301 1.20 2.98
14 Meekin, Jouett 1894 20 20 6 1 11 5 0 0 156.33 140 64 56 2 52 91 .233 .299 .307 1.23 3.22
15 Bentley, Jack 1923 7 7 1 1 4 3 0 0 54.33 38 19 19 1 29 38 .197 .302 .275 1.23 3.15
16 Menefee, Jock 1894 10 10 5 0 6 3 0 0 82.67 83 28 26 0 21 37 .261 .310 .336 1.26 2.83
17 Bush, Guy 1929 10 10 2 1 4 2 0 0 69.67 58 26 25 7 32 30 .226 .316 .358 1.29 3.23
18 Gomez, Lefty 1938 10 10 0 0 5 2 0 0 67.67 70 26 22 1 19 43 .268 .317 .349 1.32 2.93
19 Eason, Mal 1902 8 8 2 1 2 3 0 0 63.67 64 31 29 0 20 11 .258 .317 .339 1.32 4.10
20 Rusie, Amos 1894 19 19 11 1 12 6 0 0 151.67 142 85 75 2 64 96 .242 .318 .328 1.36 4.45
21 Weaver, Jered 2006 8 8 0 0 1 4 0 0 45.00 49 23 20 2 13 21 .269 .318 .396 1.38 4.00
22 Clarke, Dad 1895 10 10 4 1 7 3 0 0 78.67 93 32 31 1 16 36 .293 .328 .401 1.39 3.55
23 Cicotte, Eddie 1911 8 8 1 1 3 3 0 0 54.67 59 31 24 0 18 24 .271 .329 .349 1.41 3.95
24 Morgan, Cy 1907 8 8 0 0 1 3 0 0 40.33 37 32 19 4 21 14 .224 .314 .315 1.44 4.24
25 Dowling, Pete 1899 8 8 4 1 4 2 0 0 65.00 65 31 29 2 31 11 .256 .344 .346 1.48 4.02
5/23/2013 11:18 AM
Ok..we are past the all-star break and bad is blowing away fatigue. It seems that true fatigue (that below 80%) is almost impossible to overcome. There are still some individual players on the fatigue teams in the top 25 players (by OPS and WHIP), but even they have now dropped off.

NATIONAL LEAGUE STANDINGS
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East W-L PCT GB MagN L10 STRK Home Away Live Owner LIVE
You Wear Me Out 39-49 0.443 - - 0-10 L11 20-25 19-24 0-0 sjh0825  
High Energy 35-53 0.398 4 - 1-9 L7 16-32 19-21 0-0 zephyr1949  
I need caffeine! Greenies! Now! 30-58 0.341 9 - 0-10 L11 16-29 14-29 0-0 biglenr  
Sick with Fatigue 9-79 0.102 30 - 0-10 L13 6-42 3-37 0-0 just4me  
West W-L PCT GB MagN L10 STRK Home Away Live Owner LIVE
(REALLY) Bad Dilligafs 65-23 0.739 - - 10-0 W11 32-8 33-15 0-0 dilligafdbp  
If We Win, Then You Suck 64-24 0.727 1 - 10-0 W12 33-10 31-14 0-0 schwarze  
I'd rather be Bad than Tired 58-30 0.659 7 - 10-0 W12 31-12 27-18 0-0 blackmink18  
Tennessee Jed's Bad Brethern 52-36 0.591 13 - 9-1 W7 24-16 28-20 0-0 dhomard  
AMERICAN LEAGUE STANDINGS
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East W-L PCT GB MagN L10 STRK Home Away Live Owner LIVE
Bad Enough to Beat Fatigue 66-22 0.750 - - 6-4 W3 35-13 31-9 0-0 frazzman80  
We're a Bad Bad Team 65-23 0.739 1 - 6-4 L2 33-12 32-11 0-0 rbow923  
Sleeping in Chavez Ravine 37-51 0.420 29 - 6-4 W2 17-28 20-23 0-0 redwingscup  
Man are we Tired 20-68 0.227 46 - 1-9 L8 7-41 13-27 0-0 batgems  
West W-L PCT GB MagN L10 STRK Home Away Live Owner LIVE
Suffolk Sidewinders 63-25 0.716 - - 7-3 W3 26-14 37-11 0-0 bwest  
STINKIN @ Bank One 56-32 0.636 7 - 5-5 W2 33-10 23-22 0-0 good_beef  
Malaise Trappers 36-52 0.409 27 - 5-5 L2 15-28 21-24 0-0 jpeterso  
This team is sick 9-79 0.102 54 - 4-6 L3 1-39 8-40 0-0 rickysdad44

Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO HBP SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
(REALLY) Bad Dilligafs 88 3507 869 1230 219 26 57 809 418 262 35 43 37 .351 .423 .477 .900
Were a Bad Bad Team 88 3541 852 1167 169 52 57 799 381 255 38 54 21 .330 .398 .455 .853
Id rather be Bad than Tired 88 3361 746 1044 204 39 93 707 312 301 33 49 33 .311 .372 .478 .850
Tennessee Jeds Bad Brethern 88 3333 695 998 226 32 101 655 288 289 25 41 27 .299 .357 .477 .834
If We Win, Then You Suck 88 3396 817 1049 202 19 34 757 579 204 42 0 0 .309 .414 .410 .824
Suffolk Sidewinders 88 3472 719 1099 213 33 57 674 324 202 26 26 19 .317 .377 .446 .823
Bad Enough to Beat Fatigue 88 3460 733 1108 202 29 40 671 306 192 29 52 36 .320 .378 .430 .808
STINKIN @ Bank One 88 3257 564 952 159 33 60 531 237 246 23 200 77 .292 .342 .417 .759
I need caffeine! Greenies! Now! 88 3160 538 829 173 23 93 515 321 559 32 20 17 .262 .335 .420 .755
LEAGUE AVERAGE 88 3252 583 909 163 27 65 547 319 408 30 38 22 .279 .347 .406 .753
You Wear Me Out 88 3057 474 752 129 42 83 449 309 602 34 22 17 .246 .321 .397 .718
Sleeping in Chavez Ravine 88 3168 489 820 128 20 63 461 310 514 31 26 8 .259 .329 .372 .701
Malaise Trappers 88 3126 457 785 131 32 63 427 249 490 23 29 23 .251 .310 .374 .684
High Energy 88 3169 416 769 158 25 76 398 178 536 23 13 11 .243 .287 .380 .667
Sick with Fatigue 88 3052 361 663 115 7 62 342 357 592 40 0 1 .217 .306 .320 .626
Man are we Tired 88 3012 362 666 110 11 64 344 302 623 21 22 14 .221 .295 .329 .624
This team is sick 88 2953 243 607 72 7 35 216 229 667 19 14 14 .206 .267 .270 .537

Team G CG SHO W L SV SVO IP H R ER HR BB SO OAV OBP SLG WHIP ERA
Were a Bad Bad Team 88 22 6 65 23 23 27 799.67 657 297 232 15 243 465 .219 .282 .295 1.13 2.61
Suffolk Sidewinders 88 18 8 63 25 18 29 805.33 661 272 228 20 255 494 .218 .282 .297 1.14 2.55
If We Win, Then You Suck 88 17 10 64 24 13 14 789.33 607 274 235 18 294 541 .208 .286 .295 1.14 2.68
Bad Enough to Beat Fatigue 88 25 5 66 22 17 19 809.00 715 311 263 23 248 409 .233 .293 .297 1.19 2.93
(REALLY) Bad Dilligafs 88 48 8 65 23 8 9 783.67 664 322 278 14 288 439 .224 .297 .304 1.21 3.19
STINKIN @ Bank One 88 39 10 56 32 13 14 797.67 769 323 268 14 219 288 .250 .304 .323 1.24 3.02
Id rather be Bad than Tired 88 10 3 58 30 19 27 790.67 745 308 290 25 257 390 .248 .312 .340 1.27 3.30
Tennessee Jeds Bad Brethern 88 6 2 52 36 10 15 783.67 692 330 310 32 345 495 .234 .318 .319 1.32 3.56
Sleeping in Chavez Ravine 88 0 0 37 51 13 31 781.33 848 489 340 56 214 431 .263 .311 .359 1.36 3.92
Malaise Trappers 88 0 0 36 52 20 25 777.33 881 496 388 67 282 424 .276 .337 .400 1.50 4.49
LEAGUE AVERAGE 88 12 3 44 44 13 18 783.40 909 583 453 65 319 408 .279 .347 .406 1.57 5.20
High Energy 88 0 0 35 53 14 21 786.33 954 614 451 98 331 446 .284 .353 .432 1.63 5.16
I need caffeine! Greenies! Now! 88 1 1 30 58 10 17 772.00 1059 754 542 105 314 418 .309 .370 .473 1.78 6.32
You Wear Me Out 88 4 0 39 49 12 17 773.33 1063 900 676 70 463 428 .304 .391 .431 1.97 7.87
Man are we Tired 88 0 0 20 68 10 15 770.00 1148 910 656 89 446 363 .325 .402 .474 2.07 7.67
This team is sick 88 1 0 9 79 3 3 754.33 1525 1321 994 155 431 315 .395 .458 .605 2.59 11.86
Sick with Fatigue 88 0 0 9 79 3 6 760.67 1550 1414 1091 237 470 188 .395 .461 .684 2.66 12.91

Team GP PO A E DP FPCT
Id rather be Bad than Tired 88 2372 1013 39 240 .989
Tennessee Jeds Bad Brethern 88 2351 888 39 150 .988
If We Win, Then You Suck 88 2368 933 67 194 .980
STINKIN @ Bank One 88 2393 1061 78 271 .978
Suffolk Sidewinders 88 2416 885 73 158 .978
(REALLY) Bad Dilligafs 88 2351 903 75 204 .977
Were a Bad Bad Team 88 2399 945 82 209 .976
Bad Enough to Beat Fatigue 88 2427 984 83 227 .976
LEAGUE AVERAGE 88 2350 941 150 214 .956
Malaise Trappers 88 2332 943 160 214 .953
High Energy 88 2359 918 207 236 .941
Sleeping in Chavez Ravine 88 2344 935 217 218 .938
I need caffeine! Greenies! Now! 88 2316 885 216 178 .937
Man are we Tired 88 2310 924 251 222 .928
You Wear Me Out 88 2320 872 264 235 .924
This team is sick 88 2263 940 266 210 .923
Sick with Fatigue 88 2282 1029 290 251 .919

Rank Name SN G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO HBP SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS STRK L STRK
1 Tinker, Joe 1908 81 349 92 127 24 9 14 94 34 19 3 0 0 .364 .423 .605 1.027 3 12
2 Weaver, Buck 1917 70 312 77 124 23 3 8 87 21 12 3 4 4 .397 .437 .567 1.004 1 23
3 Robinson, Brooks 1969 88 345 84 106 26 5 22 97 42 27 1 0 0 .307 .376 .603 .979 2 13
4 Lowenstein, John 1982 79 286 65 90 17 0 19 54 35 53 0 0 1 .315 .389 .573 .963 4 8
5 Jordan, Tim 1908 87 362 75 110 31 2 19 80 49 8 2 3 1 .304 .386 .558 .944 6 10
6 Ritchey, Claude 1908 71 286 70 109 11 4 3 58 42 9 2 0 0 .381 .462 .479 .941 6 8
7 Pickering, Ollie 1903 88 362 106 137 26 3 2 100 46 18 3 15 8 .378 .451 .483 .935 1 15
8 Devlin, Art 1907 80 346 95 130 24 2 1 55 49 12 8 7 6 .376 .464 .465 .929 2 17
9 Milligan, Jocko 1889 78 278 30 93 30 0 11 58 11 29 4 0 0 .335 .366 .561 .927 0 7
10 Daly, Tom 1892 72 294 64 100 20 3 8 95 38 33 3 3 4 .340 .416 .510 .926 4 9
11 Fernandez, Tony 1989 88 336 70 113 23 9 9 74 25 22 4 5 3 .336 .387 .539 .926 7 12
12 Beckert, Glenn 1968 88 386 87 143 29 5 5 90 28 8 1 1 3 .370 .413 .510 .924 7 17
13 Wilson, Willie 1986 84 391 105 140 24 4 10 54 24 33 6 23 8 .358 .403 .517 .919 10 17
14 Kling, Johnny 1908 64 289 59 97 27 2 10 67 17 20 0 3 4 .336 .370 .547 .917 2 13
15 Sheffield, Gary 1998 77 267 63 73 16 0 17 62 52 24 2 5 3 .273 .391 .524 .915 0 9
16 McReynolds, Kevin 1985 85 355 83 106 24 3 20 80 34 35 1 0 1 .299 .360 .552 .912 1 12
17 Anderson, John 1904 81 377 90 132 27 6 8 82 25 15 3 9 5 .350 .392 .517 .909 6 19
18 Tovar, Cesar 1968 82 369 94 137 21 6 2 74 27 10 11 16 5 .371 .427 .477 .904 1 15
19 Donahue, Jiggs 1905 84 365 89 142 20 3 1 101 29 15 2 0 0 .389 .433 .468 .901 6 12
20 Thomas, Roy 1906 81 331 98 111 13 5 3 63 78 14 4 5 3 .335 .464 .432 .896 10 18
21 Santiago, Benito 1991 86 355 75 116 27 3 12 88 24 52 3 0 2 .327 .372 .521 .894 10 13
22 Dimaggio, Joe 1949 83 258 51 70 17 2 13 61 48 30 3 0 0 .271 .389 .504 .893 6 6
23 Belanger, Mark 1971 88 338 83 112 23 8 1 91 60 27 3 0 0 .331 .435 .456 .891 3 7
24 Hartsel, Topsy 1906 88 383 106 125 29 4 3 85 77 17 3 0 0 .326 .440 .446 .886 0 11
25 Sheckard, Jimmy 1907 82 324 108 98 28 2 6 67 69 13 2 0 0 .302 .427 .457 .884 9 9

Rank Name SN G GS CG SHO W L SV SVO IP H R ER HR BB SO OAV OBP SLG WHIP ERA
1 Meekin, Jouett 1894 44 44 9 4 28 6 0 0 332.00 262 93 75 7 83 178 .212 .266 .293 1.04 2.03
2 Ferrell, Wes 1931 30 30 1 1 18 6 0 0 195.33 136 53 44 4 67 136 .193 .268 .254 1.04 2.03
3 Bentley, Jack 1923 15 15 5 1 10 4 0 0 121.67 81 32 30 3 46 83 .188 .267 .258 1.04 2.22
4 Rusie, Amos 1894 42 42 11 7 25 7 0 0 321.00 216 93 82 7 122 245 .186 .268 .281 1.05 2.30
5 Daub, Dan 1895 22 22 1 1 13 3 0 0 149.67 122 43 32 4 37 71 .219 .273 .285 1.06 1.92
6 Clarke, Dad 1895 17 17 12 2 10 6 0 0 134.00 121 54 39 3 24 52 .235 .274 .305 1.08 2.62
7 Meekin, Jouett 1894 42 42 10 4 25 9 0 0 291.33 254 115 91 9 73 165 .227 .277 .302 1.12 2.81
8 Rusie, Amos 1894 44 44 9 4 24 8 0 0 330.67 264 112 93 8 108 219 .211 .275 .284 1.13 2.53
9 Menefee, Jock 1894 22 22 14 2 16 4 0 0 186.67 173 54 50 1 39 79 .243 .285 .324 1.14 2.41
10 Gomez, Lefty 1938 22 22 4 2 16 3 0 0 164.00 146 60 53 5 42 105 .236 .284 .310 1.15 2.91
11 Meekin, Jouett 1894 44 44 14 2 29 8 0 0 347.33 292 129 109 9 110 187 .223 .285 .289 1.16 2.82
12 Rusie, Amos 1894 43 43 10 2 24 11 0 0 321.00 274 133 105 5 98 213 .226 .288 .316 1.16 2.94
13 Martinez, Pedro 2001 26 18 0 0 3 10 0 0 89.00 85 38 23 5 19 85 .237 .282 .318 1.17 2.33
14 Gomez, Lefty 1938 22 22 2 2 13 4 0 0 158.00 137 52 42 2 49 105 .233 .297 .304 1.18 2.39
15 Rusie, Amos 1894 43 43 25 4 33 8 0 0 351.00 281 155 130 3 137 245 .213 .291 .288 1.19 3.33
16 Cicotte, Eddie 1911 18 18 5 3 11 5 0 0 135.00 120 53 42 0 41 66 .240 .301 .296 1.19 2.80
17 Ferrell, Wes 1934 22 22 0 0 14 5 0 0 113.00 106 46 46 2 30 57 .250 .310 .347 1.20 3.66
18 Eason, Mal 1902 18 18 8 3 7 6 0 0 143.33 141 59 56 2 36 34 .258 .307 .340 1.23 3.52
19 Lee, Thornton 1938 22 22 7 1 12 4 0 0 173.67 160 77 59 4 55 74 .239 .298 .288 1.24 3.06
20 Lee, Thornton 1938 23 23 9 2 11 8 0 0 169.00 143 75 64 8 70 81 .226 .308 .314 1.26 3.41
21 Clarke, Dad 1895 22 22 6 1 16 4 0 0 167.67 180 60 58 3 32 73 .274 .308 .375 1.26 3.11
22 Dowling, Pete 1899 17 17 9 1 8 4 0 0 137.67 127 59 49 2 49 34 .241 .311 .307 1.28 3.20
23 Martinez, Pedro 2001 32 25 0 0 1 7 2 2 99.33 102 49 36 6 28 88 .254 .315 .328 1.31 3.26
24 Brown, Mordecai 1903 18 18 5 1 10 3 0 0 141.67 140 53 47 5 46 48 .255 .313 .344 1.31 2.99
25 Bush, Guy 1929 22 22 3 1 10 5 0 0 149.00 127 60 58 9 70 64 .230 .322 .350 1.32 3.50






6/17/2013 9:48 AM
Final stats are in for the league and we have learned that fatigued pitching and fielding are awful...just awful and fatigue is certainly working in these areas. Hitting is still unresolved, as we had several very fatigued hitters perform decently (a few even made the top 25). Breakouts are below:

East  W-L  PCT GB MagN  L10  STRK Home Away Live Owner LIVE
You Wear Me Out 68-94 0.420 - x 3-7 L3 34-47 34-47 0-0 sjh0825  
High Energy 59-103 0.364 9 - 7-3 W3 27-54 32-49 0-0 zephyr1949  
I need caffeine! Greenies! Now! 51-111 0.315 17 - 6-4 W1 29-52 22-59 0-0 biglenr  
Sick with Fatigue 17-145 0.105 51 - 4-6 L1 9-72 8-73 0-0 just4me  
West  W-L  PCT GB MagN  L10  STRK Home Away Live Owner LIVE
(REALLY) Bad Dilligafs 123-39 0.759 - x 6-4 L1 64-17 59-22 0-0 dilligafdbp  
If We Win, Then You Suck 122-40 0.753 1 - 8-2 W5 60-21 62-19 0-0 schwarze  
I'd rather be Bad than Tired 105-57 0.648 18 - 5-5 W1 54-27 51-30 0-0 blackmink18  
Tennessee Jed's Bad Brethern 103-59 0.636 20 - 1-9 L6 54-27 49-32 0-0 dhomard  
AMERICAN LEAGUE STANDINGS
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East  W-L  PCT GB MagN  L10  STRK Home Away Live Owner LIVE
Bad Enough to Beat Fatigue 127-35 0.784 - x 10-0 W10 64-17 63-18 0-0 frazzman80  
We're a Bad Bad Team 121-41 0.747 6 - 9-1 W9 61-20 60-21 0-0 rbow923  
Sleeping in Chavez Ravine 59-103 0.364 68 - 1-9 L9 28-53 31-50 0-0 redwingscup  
Man are we Tired 33-129 0.204 94 - 0-10 L22 13-68 20-61 0-0 batgems  
West  W-L  PCT GB MagN  L10  STRK Home Away Live Owner LIVE
Suffolk Sidewinders 122-40 0.753 - x 5-5 W2 60-21 62-19 0-0 bwest  
STINKIN @ Bank One 104-58 0.642 18 - 7-3 L2 57-24 47-34 0-0 good_beef  
Malaise Trappers 64-98 0.395 58 - 4-6 W1 32-49 32-49 0-0 jpeterso  
This team is sick 18-144 0.111 104 - 4-6 L1 6-75 12-69 0-0 rickysdad44

Team Offense
Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO HBP SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
(REALLY) Bad Dilligafs 162 6545 1739 2350 446 55 103 1636 852 460 77 73 55 .359 .436 .491 .927
Were a Bad Bad Team 162 6631 1685 2278 362 85 137 1576 728 424 72 98 28 .344 .412 .486 .898
Suffolk Sidewinders 162 6538 1511 2220 463 62 103 1416 628 358 46 37 39 .340 .399 .477 .876
Id rather be Bad than Tired 162 6254 1435 1971 407 62 188 1353 610 545 59 111 61 .315 .379 .490 .869
Tennessee Jeds Bad Brethern 162 6182 1330 1911 444 67 179 1254 572 516 42 73 70 .309 .369 .489 .858
If We Win, Then You Suck 162 6398 1619 2038 409 39 62 1510 1122 355 67 0 0 .319 .423 .424 .847
Bad Enough to Beat Fatigue 162 6422 1457 2111 374 49 100 1348 621 322 49 104 61 .329 .390 .449 .839
STINKIN @ Bank One 162 6139 1210 1893 326 63 145 1128 450 416 36 362 153 .308 .357 .453 .810
I need caffeine! Greenies! Now! 162 5898 1091 1597 325 44 195 1044 614 993 62 25 41 .271 .344 .440 .784
LEAGUE AVERAGE 162 6059 1162 1745 326 48 132 1090 614 720 52 71 43 .288 .357 .423 .780
You Wear Me Out 162 5760 1025 1476 281 58 189 974 603 1096 56 39 33 .256 .331 .424 .755
Sleeping in Chavez Ravine 162 5844 893 1505 227 38 107 830 581 962 52 41 20 .258 .329 .364 .693
High Energy 162 5862 852 1459 307 40 159 813 353 951 46 23 18 .249 .295 .396 .691
Malaise Trappers 162 5740 841 1450 255 52 121 786 439 829 37 55 49 .253 .309 .378 .687
Man are we Tired 162 5658 754 1318 221 22 124 709 577 1061 44 61 27 .233 .307 .346 .653
Sick with Fatigue 162 5630 716 1230 206 13 140 673 692 1002 57 0 1 .218 .309 .334 .643
This team is sick 162 5440 428 1108 155 14 59 386 384 1227 36 29 28 .204 .260 .270 .530

Team Pitching
Team G CG SHO W L SV SVO IP H R ER HR BB SO OAV OBP SLG WHIP ERA
Were a Bad Bad Team 162 36 14 121 41 39 44 1,459.00 1205 537 423 27 466 840 .220 .284 .293 1.15 2.61
Bad Enough to Beat Fatigue 162 51 22 127 35 30 34 1,478.33 1271 510 432 34 446 786 .227 .287 .288 1.16 2.63
If We Win, Then You Suck 162 45 18 122 40 25 30 1,470.00 1101 488 430 38 518 987 .203 .277 .288 1.10 2.63
Suffolk Sidewinders 162 36 18 122 40 26 43 1,471.33 1232 514 434 37 505 903 .221 .289 .299 1.18 2.65
(REALLY) Bad Dilligafs 162 78 19 123 39 13 16 1,452.67 1236 577 492 30 503 830 .224 .293 .308 1.20 3.05
STINKIN @ Bank One 162 80 16 104 58 23 27 1,459.33 1440 592 508 19 365 534 .255 .304 .324 1.24 3.13
Id rather be Bad than Tired 162 21 11 105 57 33 47 1,454.00 1335 556 518 37 461 698 .242 .305 .327 1.24 3.21
Tennessee Jeds Bad Brethern 162 10 3 103 59 22 29 1,452.33 1242 616 559 55 626 915 .227 .311 .307 1.29 3.46
Sleeping in Chavez Ravine 162 0 0 59 103 19 45 1,428.33 1726 1075 753 135 413 739 .282 .331 .401 1.50 4.74
Malaise Trappers 162 0 0 64 98 32 40 1,420.33 1675 963 760 137 517 716 .284 .345 .412 1.54 4.82
LEAGUE AVERAGE 162 24 8 81 81 22 30 1,437.29 1745 1162 896 132 614 720 .288 .357 .423 1.64 5.61
High Energy 162 0 0 59 103 20 31 1,425.33 1907 1326 987 215 672 765 .305 .375 .473 1.81 6.23
I need caffeine! Greenies! Now! 162 1 1 51 111 14 26 1,410.33 2161 1669 1264 240 736 712 .333 .403 .526 2.05 8.07
You Wear Me Out 162 4 0 68 94 23 30 1,417.67 2198 1923 1410 163 947 688 .332 .419 .481 2.22 8.95

Team Fielding
Team GP PO A E DP FPCT
Id rather be Bad than Tired 162 4362 1830 68 388 .989
Tennessee Jeds Bad Brethern 162 4357 1622 85 285 .986
STINKIN @ Bank One 162 4378 1894 137 457 .979
If We Win, Then You Suck 162 4410 1681 137 311 .978
Bad Enough to Beat Fatigue 162 4435 1765 152 380 .976
(REALLY) Bad Dilligafs 162 4358 1649 146 336 .976
Suffolk Sidewinders 162 4414 1673 154 339 .975
Were a Bad Bad Team 162 4377 1741 167 385 .973
LEAGUE AVERAGE 162 4312 1727 294 383 .954
Malaise Trappers 162 4261 1775 307 432 .952
High Energy 162 4276 1677 395 463 .938
Sleeping in Chavez Ravine 162 4285 1669 430 366 .933
I need caffeine! Greenies! Now! 162 4231 1639 420 320 .933
Man are we Tired 162 4221 1712 478 410 .925
You Wear Me Out 162 4253 1668 498 448 .922
Sick with Fatigue 162 4175 1867 557 458 .916
This team is sick 162 4197 1773 567 354 .913

Individual Top 25 Hitting
Rank Name SN G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO HBP SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS STRK L STRK
1 Tinker, Joe 1908 149 662 178 241 49 11 28 179 57 30 4 0 0 .364 .415 .598 1.013 5 12
2 Weaver, Buck 1917 128 589 149 239 42 6 12 187 43 30 6 4 4 .406 .447 .559 1.005 4 23
3 Rodriguez, Ivan 2000 137 587 122 193 41 6 43 163 22 47 4 1 2 .329 .356 .639 .994 1 11
4 Wilson, Willie 1986 152 727 204 268 44 10 29 145 50 70 9 48 10 .369 .414 .576 .991 2 20
5 Tovar, Cesar 1968 152 717 179 271 48 12 13 183 42 21 16 24 5 .378 .422 .533 .955 6 29
6 Daly, Tom 1892 133 537 138 182 39 6 16 174 88 57 4 3 4 .339 .431 .523 .954 1 12
7 Thomas, Roy 1906 146 603 191 214 33 9 4 122 161 22 9 7 11 .355 .494 .459 .954 1 24
8 Robinson, Brooks 1969 162 648 164 198 49 6 37 175 81 43 5 0 1 .306 .381 .571 .952 0 13
9 Lowenstein, John 1982 150 542 126 160 28 0 41 114 71 100 2 0 2 .295 .378 .574 .952 3 8
10 Pickering, Ollie 1903 161 677 228 261 45 6 3 177 101 26 7 31 11 .386 .468 .483 .951 2 15
11 Jordan, Tim 1908 161 674 149 208 58 5 33 151 95 16 4 3 11 .309 .394 .556 .950 1 16
12 Robinson, Brooks 1969 162 677 156 210 46 5 40 163 68 38 1 1 0 .310 .371 .570 .941 1 13
13 Devlin, Art 1907 146 649 195 246 46 3 3 128 91 33 18 7 6 .379 .466 .473 .940 2 17
14 Fernandez, Tony 1989 162 632 134 216 45 13 19 143 42 38 4 17 6 .342 .385 .544 .929 1 15
15 Donahue, Jiggs 1905 151 667 178 254 44 5 6 181 68 22 6 0 0 .381 .440 .489 .928 8 13
16 Santiago, Benito 1991 152 664 151 221 51 6 28 175 38 94 7 2 3 .333 .374 .554 .928 0 16
17 Anderson, John 1904 145 699 173 263 50 9 9 173 47 24 4 11 7 .376 .415 .512 .928 16 22
18 Beckert, Glenn 1968 162 714 177 265 54 10 8 177 55 13 5 3 4 .371 .417 .508 .926 10 24
19 Kling, Johnny 1908 114 529 110 182 59 3 13 128 33 25 0 7 9 .344 .379 .541 .919 0 15
20 Ritchey, Claude 1908 127 518 143 186 19 2 11 150 83 19 6 0 0 .359 .451 .467 .918 16 16
21 Sheffield, Gary 1998 144 491 118 145 23 1 26 113 92 46 6 6 7 .295 .408 .505 .913 0 9
22 Wilson, Chief 1914 155 688 164 216 46 9 29 166 62 48 5 3 5 .314 .373 .533 .906 0 14
23 Castino, John 1981 155 597 137 207 45 13 12 120 33 52 1 0 1 .347 .380 .526 .905 1 23
24 Hartsel, Topsy 1906 162 705 196 235 54 6 5 164 160 28 5 0 0 .333 .457 .448 .905 2 14
25 Thomas, Roy 1906 162 629 197 207 32 6 2 123 201 22 6 0 0 .329 .494 .409 .903 1 22

Individual Top 25 Pitching
Rank Name SN G GS CG SHO W L SV SVO IP H R ER HR BB SO OAV OBP SLG WHIP ERA
1 Bentley, Jack 1923 27 27 7 2 17 6 0 0 213.00 143 61 55 7 85 161 .187 .276 .262 1.07 2.32
2 Daub, Dan 1895 40 40 1 1 24 7 0 0 269.67 216 82 66 6 75 109 .218 .277 .290 1.08 2.20
3 Gomez, Lefty 1938 45 45 6 3 29 7 0 0 329.67 264 109 92 5 92 228 .217 .277 .290 1.08 2.51
4 Rusie, Amos 1894 79 79 32 12 51 14 0 0 627.67 441 194 179 18 238 447 .192 .272 .291 1.08 2.57
5 Rusie, Amos 1894 74 74 22 11 49 9 0 0 578.33 435 149 127 9 191 388 .202 .268 .265 1.08 1.98
6 Martinez, Pedro 2001 51 40 0 0 4 11 0 0 163.33 141 82 57 4 37 156 .225 .273 .287 1.09 3.14
7 Ferrell, Wes 1931 54 54 1 1 32 13 0 0 346.00 246 109 92 6 133 239 .196 .279 .257 1.10 2.39
8 Lee, Thornton 1938 41 41 16 8 27 5 0 0 329.67 280 111 89 6 87 135 .224 .277 .274 1.11 2.43
9 Martinez, Pedro 2001 43 29 1 0 8 15 0 0 173.67 163 82 44 7 31 157 .235 .274 .304 1.12 2.28
10 Meekin, Jouett 1894 74 74 14 7 44 13 0 0 548.00 444 184 145 13 173 293 .215 .279 .294 1.13 2.38
11 Meekin, Jouett 1894 81 81 29 10 57 12 0 0 626.67 510 217 184 14 200 365 .216 .280 .282 1.13 2.64
12 Menefee, Jock 1894 41 41 17 5 28 7 0 0 329.67 310 115 101 1 66 130 .245 .286 .324 1.14 2.76
13 Clarke, Dad 1895 35 32 22 4 21 10 1 1 266.33 254 100 77 4 52 97 .248 .287 .332 1.15 2.60
14 Meekin, Jouett 1894 78 78 12 5 50 16 0 0 534.00 472 221 173 16 143 300 .231 .283 .315 1.15 2.92
15 Clarke, Dad 1895 41 41 12 7 29 8 0 0 308.67 301 101 95 4 60 143 .252 .292 .347 1.17 2.77
16 Rusie, Amos 1894 79 79 20 8 49 20 0 0 585.67 496 226 179 8 193 376 .224 .289 .302 1.18 2.75
17 Rusie, Amos 1894 80 79 47 10 62 13 0 0 643.67 519 266 218 13 239 495 .213 .288 .304 1.18 3.05
18 Eason, Mal 1902 33 33 18 5 18 9 0 0 275.00 262 105 98 3 64 75 .250 .296 .310 1.19 3.21
19 Ferrell, Wes 1934 40 40 0 0 22 9 0 0 212.33 194 78 73 4 60 109 .242 .301 .320 1.20 3.09
20 Gomez, Lefty 1938 40 40 6 4 28 8 0 0 292.33 274 105 92 9 77 199 .244 .293 .314 1.20 2.83
21 Lee, Thornton 1938 42 42 14 4 23 13 0 0 316.33 264 128 115 13 117 145 .224 .298 .308 1.20 3.27
22 Cicotte, Eddie 1911 32 32 10 4 19 11 0 0 239.33 225 95 77 1 65 107 .248 .300 .312 1.21 2.90
23 Chase, Ken 1939 37 35 6 3 22 9 0 0 244.33 208 111 97 10 89 189 .224 .295 .313 1.22 3.57
24 Brown, Mordecai 1903 33 33 12 1 20 7 0 0 259.67 249 90 82 6 69 109 .249 .302 .320 1.22 2.84
25 Bush, Guy 1929 41 41 8 3 18 10 0 0 287.00 244 112 107 9 131 135 .228 .317 .316 1.31 3.36


6/17/2013 10:27 AM
The real sucky situation here: This is a 16 team league, which means no wildcard.  The NL West is all "bad" teams.

Yes, Schwarze misses the playoffs despite winning 122 games. 
6/17/2013 3:51 PM
I would say this data is very very conclusive that fatigue seriously impacts performance, so hopefully that issue is put to bed.

6/17/2013 6:18 PM
Posted by contrarian23 on 6/17/2013 3:51:00 PM (view original):
I would say this data is very very conclusive that fatigue seriously impacts performance, so hopefully that issue is put to bed.

Pitching and fielding are severely impacted by serious fatigue (something I never disputed).  However, I think teams of 90+ fatigue position players and 90+ fatigue pitchers will outperform teams that have no fatigue.
6/17/2013 8:57 PM
If the 90+ fatigue players are of significantly better original quality than their unfatigued competitors, I have no problem with that outcome.  I would find it very unrealistic if performance dropped off precipitously at low levels of fatigue.
6/18/2013 8:20 AM
We have guys in the top 25 by OPS at 55-65% fatigue.  So the BATTING of fatigued players doesn't drop off nearly as much as the fielding does. 
6/18/2013 9:35 AM
Posted by ncmusician_7 on 6/17/2013 6:19:00 PM (view original):
Posted by contrarian23 on 6/17/2013 3:51:00 PM (view original):
I would say this data is very very conclusive that fatigue seriously impacts performance, so hopefully that issue is put to bed.

Pitching and fielding are severely impacted by serious fatigue (something I never disputed).  However, I think teams of 90+ fatigue position players and 90+ fatigue pitchers will outperform teams that have no fatigue.
I still wholeheartedly agree and that is the point of this thread. Players at 92-99% do not drop in performance nearly enough to offset resting them. It's still a flaw in the system. The test league showed that EXTREME fatigue does not work as a strategy (although the individual players in the top 25 show that even players at less than 50% can still hit and pitch a bit), but it still doesn't quash the discussion about the slightly fatigued hitters (and to a lesser extent pitchers) still performing at high levels.

In the test league I had my bad players playing at 97% for most of the season after the all-star break and not one of them dropped off in performance.
6/18/2013 11:20 AM
I'm still not seeing it.  My read on the data above is that the hitting leaders are overwhelmingly dominated by un-fatigued players.  Does the presence of a couple of fatigued players among the leaders mean that the model is fundamentally broken, or is it just a testament to random variation?  My conclusion from the data posted in this thread is that the fatigue penalty is working just fine for hitters.

6/18/2013 11:45 AM
I'm looking through some of the team stats now...I am more convinced than ever that the fatigue system does not need to be changed at all.  Most of the fatigue teams had really really good players (and remember they were facing bad pitchers most of the time...either just plain bad pitchers on half the teams, or fatigued pitchers on the other teams) - and the offensive numbers are way way down.  Yes, you can find the occasional exception (but these are usually the players with the smallest delta over their real life PA), but for the most part guys are down 75+ points in average, 100+ points in OBP, more than that in SLG. 

These guys got absolutely killed, and that's just comparing them to their actual OPS, not even factoring in how bad the pitching was (and therefore how much higher their expected OPS would be if they were not fatigued).
6/18/2013 4:01 PM

Again...I agree that the fatigue system works for hitters and pitchers from 92% down...it's the 93-99% that is broken. In this league, all of the fatigued players were BELOW 60% for the entire season. They should have gotten killed by fatigue (and they did). The league tested true fatigue and proved it worked.

What it did not test was the 92-99% range that I still feel is not penalized enough. IF 99% acted like 89% then I wouldn't type another word about it.

6/18/2013 4:12 PM
Assuming that's true - and I am not convinced that it is - how would you propose addressing it without having the unintended consequence of punishing owners who do a good job building an effective offense? 

6/18/2013 5:06 PM (edited)
Posted by contrarian23 on 6/18/2013 4:12:00 PM (view original):
Assuming that's true - and I am not convinced that it is - how would you propose addressing it without having the unintended consequence of punishing owners who do a good job building an effective offense? 

I know that an offense that over performs and is so effective that it racks up extra PAs is an issue since these players will get below 100 faster. Part of this answer lies in the fact that WIS has already tried to correct this by capping PAs/game for fatigue in the system and by giving us the free 10% before you hit 99 with a hitter.

My first thought is to draft extra PAs for your bench so you can rest a starter here and there. Yes, I know you are going to say this is not the most ideal because you have to spend money on bench players and that could effect your ultimate offense. But I still contend that if your ultimate offense includes multiple players playing between 92-99% that you are gaming the system currently by taking advantage of a fatigue flaw.

My second thought is to be liberal with your "rest when up/down by X runs in the X inning" settings, maybe setting this to 4 in the 6th or something. Yes, I know you are going to say that this limits your managerial options and you really hate pulling your starters because you can lose a lead late or give up the chance to come back in a game...but it does address your concern.

My third thought would be to request WIS change the PA/game cap on fatigue to the average PAs a team generates per starting position over the course of a season. Looking at the example from our league above, the team with the most runs was the Dilligafs with 1739. They had  7,474 PAs (6545 ABs + 852 BBs + 77 HBP) so let's round up to 7500. (7500/162) / 9 = 5.14 PAs per spot in the batting order per game. In MLB in 2012 there were 184179 PAs for an average of 6139 PAs/team. (6139/162) / 9 = 4.21 PAs per spot in the batting order per game. 

If WIS capped fatigue levels at 5 PAs per game, you would alleviate excess fatigue for games where you score a lot of runs.

Or, if they used this information to appropriate fatigue, that would give you 810 PAs per batting order slot if they set 5 PAs/game per position as the max for a player who played 162 games. If WIS prorated this for the number of games the player played in real life, you could control fatigue pretty easily. If your player appeared in 120 games, he would get up to 600 PAs.

Another thought would be to take real life PA/G data for each player and set their fatigue on this stat. If your player had 500 PAs in 120 games, he would fatigue based on 4.17 PAs per game. This would work similarly to the in game fatigue for pitchers based on their IP/G. Doing fatigue by PA/G would be a change in the fatigue system, but might work better.

Those are some thoughts...what about yours? It is still my opinion that players playing effectively at 93% who are a full 17% over their real life PAs is broken. So is playing a player a full 162 games when he only played 120 in real life...I still think that if WIS fixed this via harsher fatigue penalties that it would make the sim more realistic.
6/18/2013 6:20 PM
Posted by frazzman80 on 6/18/2013 4:01:00 PM (view original):

Again...I agree that the fatigue system works for hitters and pitchers from 92% down...it's the 93-99% that is broken. In this league, all of the fatigued players were BELOW 60% for the entire season. They should have gotten killed by fatigue (and they did). The league tested true fatigue and proved it worked.

What it did not test was the 92-99% range that I still feel is not penalized enough. IF 99% acted like 89% then I wouldn't type another word about it.

We agree that 93-99 fatigue doesn't affect hitting enough (if at all), and that severe fatigue affects hitting, pitching and fielding to the point that it isn't a viable strategy.  I'm not sure that 80-92 fatigue affects hitting enough.  Under the current system, I think the ideal team uses their good pitchers at 95+ and their position players at 90+ (with a DH being lower than that).
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