7/12/2013 1:11 PM
Guilt by association.
7/12/2013 1:11 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/12/2013 1:04:00 PM (view original):
I'll try to put this in a way that you should understand but obviously won't.

There are people out there that feel legalizing SSM is bad for society.  

Your opinion is no more, or less, valid than their opinion. 
Is anyone's opinion ever more or less valid than anyone elses on any subject?
7/12/2013 1:13 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 7/12/2013 1:11:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/12/2013 1:04:00 PM (view original):
I'll try to put this in a way that you should understand but obviously won't.

There are people out there that feel legalizing SSM is bad for society.  

Your opinion is no more, or less, valid than their opinion. 
Is anyone's opinion ever more or less valid than anyone elses on any subject?
Sure.   I'm not going to argue the value of an up-tempo offense with Chip Kelly.   My guess is he knows more on the subject.

The problem we've got here is that some feel they "know" the effects of SSM on society.   They insist they do.   They do not. 
7/12/2013 1:15 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/12/2013 1:11:00 PM (view original):
Guilt by association.
Using the same logic, you believe that 2 gay men and their children aren't considered a family, and have such a strong, steadfast belief in tradition of marriage that no gay couple should ever be married.  Despite you saying over and over that you really don't care one way or the other.
7/12/2013 1:15 PM
I'll say this for the 1000th time, I don't care one way or the other about SSM.   As far as I'm concerned, let the gays have ****** marriages, custody battles and all the bad **** that comes with the good.    Good for them.

Just don't force feed me "Makes people happy", "More personal freedom" and "Doesn't affect anyone else" as legit reasons to do so. 
7/12/2013 1:15 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 7/12/2013 12:38:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 7/12/2013 11:54:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 7/12/2013 11:16:00 AM (view original):
Posted by genghisxcon on 7/12/2013 10:47:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 7/12/2013 10:08:00 AM (view original):
Exactly what I have not defended?
Please answer the following:




Gay marriage should be illegal because __________.
Gay marriage should be illegal because human culture has defined marriage as being between one man and one woman.

That was my first word on the subject, and my final word on the subject.  After 290 pages, I'm not going to revisit that discussion any longer.
That's kinda his point.  You make this statement, and when asked to expand upon your reasoning on those thoughts, you really don't dive deeper.  You kinda dodged a lot of questions, often by referring back to page 3 or whatever the first time you made this point.  

It's like me saying if I said "food has always been X, I don't believe we should include all this fake manufactured stuff as food," and you asked "what's the harm in this change in definition" and I said "see my first statement. keeping this tradition is important to me" you might get frustrated. 
I did expand on my reasoning.  I said that it doesn't make sense to me to change an ages old definition on a whim.  Doing anything on a whim is not necessarily a good idea.
Extending equal rights to all is not "a whim."
7/12/2013 1:16 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/12/2013 1:13:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 7/12/2013 1:11:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/12/2013 1:04:00 PM (view original):
I'll try to put this in a way that you should understand but obviously won't.

There are people out there that feel legalizing SSM is bad for society.  

Your opinion is no more, or less, valid than their opinion. 
Is anyone's opinion ever more or less valid than anyone elses on any subject?
Sure.   I'm not going to argue the value of an up-tempo offense with Chip Kelly.   My guess is he knows more on the subject.

The problem we've got here is that some feel they "know" the effects of SSM on society.   They insist they do.   They do not. 
The ones who are arguing that the effects are negative are basically saying "I dunno, maybe.  Slow down!  Something bad might happen."  And the ones arguing for equality look at them funny.
7/12/2013 1:16 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 7/12/2013 1:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/12/2013 1:11:00 PM (view original):
Guilt by association.
Using the same logic, you believe that 2 gay men and their children aren't considered a family, and have such a strong, steadfast belief in tradition of marriage that no gay couple should ever be married.  Despite you saying over and over that you really don't care one way or the other.
Well aware of that.   The beliefs of individuals have gotten blurred over 300 pages.
7/12/2013 1:17 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/12/2013 1:15:00 PM (view original):
I'll say this for the 1000th time, I don't care one way or the other about SSM.   As far as I'm concerned, let the gays have ****** marriages, custody battles and all the bad **** that comes with the good.    Good for them.

Just don't force feed me "Makes people happy", "More personal freedom" and "Doesn't affect anyone else" as legit reasons to do so. 
And equality.  I'm not sure why we're so hung up on forgetting that one when we list reasons for this.
7/12/2013 1:17 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 7/12/2013 1:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/12/2013 1:13:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 7/12/2013 1:11:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/12/2013 1:04:00 PM (view original):
I'll try to put this in a way that you should understand but obviously won't.

There are people out there that feel legalizing SSM is bad for society.  

Your opinion is no more, or less, valid than their opinion. 
Is anyone's opinion ever more or less valid than anyone elses on any subject?
Sure.   I'm not going to argue the value of an up-tempo offense with Chip Kelly.   My guess is he knows more on the subject.

The problem we've got here is that some feel they "know" the effects of SSM on society.   They insist they do.   They do not. 
The ones who are arguing that the effects are negative are basically saying "I dunno, maybe.  Slow down!  Something bad might happen."  And the ones arguing for equality look at them funny.
Equality has already been covered.   We are not equal despite what the Constitution says.   You can start with rich/poor and work from there if you'd like.
7/12/2013 1:18 PM
Please see previous response for "equality".
7/12/2013 1:20 PM
Somebody explain to that dipshit the difference between equal rights and equality of results.
7/12/2013 1:21 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/12/2013 1:17:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 7/12/2013 1:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/12/2013 1:13:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 7/12/2013 1:11:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/12/2013 1:04:00 PM (view original):
I'll try to put this in a way that you should understand but obviously won't.

There are people out there that feel legalizing SSM is bad for society.  

Your opinion is no more, or less, valid than their opinion. 
Is anyone's opinion ever more or less valid than anyone elses on any subject?
Sure.   I'm not going to argue the value of an up-tempo offense with Chip Kelly.   My guess is he knows more on the subject.

The problem we've got here is that some feel they "know" the effects of SSM on society.   They insist they do.   They do not. 
The ones who are arguing that the effects are negative are basically saying "I dunno, maybe.  Slow down!  Something bad might happen."  And the ones arguing for equality look at them funny.
Equality has already been covered.   We are not equal despite what the Constitution says.   You can start with rich/poor and work from there if you'd like.
It was. Under the constitution, everyone gets equal protection under the law. Even the gays.
7/12/2013 1:21 PM
Posted by genghisxcon on 7/12/2013 1:20:00 PM (view original):
Somebody explain to that dipshit the difference between equal rights and equality of results.
This.
7/12/2013 1:22 PM
Helping poor people get/make money is a little more complicated than letting everyone marry the person they love.
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