Posted by hughesjr on 4/28/2013 2:30:00 PM (view original):
So, it would take you ALMOST as long to start a second team in that world, win enough games to make sure you could win a good Div-II team if you left it to go to Div-1 ... OR ... you start a new team and advance it all the way to Div-1.
In the second case, you could have just started that team in a different world.
In the first case, where you win enough Div-3 or Div-2 games at a new school to make sure you will win the Job at your current school so you can move that school's userid up ... If you are a really good userid, it would take a lot of wins to ensure that. Enough wins/seasons that you could likely have qualified for Div-1 in a new world anyway.
Besides, it only takes 4-5 seasons, MAX, to turn any Div-3 or Div-2 team in to a consistent top 25 team (or certainly a National Tournament team) if you have any idea what you are doing. At Div-1 it is a lot harder because of baseline prestige and limited openings.
So, it is unnecessary. If there was some huge issue with number of available teams then fine ... but there is not.
hughes, when i started in tark, i loved my d3 school. when i wanted to move to d2 (it took 3-4 seasons back then), i merely picked up a user name 1 season early, squeaked into the NT, and was safe to get my school back. that took 1 season, it would have taken 3-4 back then. plus, there was ONE 2/day world. then, when i wanted to move to d1, a few months later - i moved up, moved my d3 to d2, and just started a new id, took a bit of a risk on the d3 school, but i got it. that was instant. it would have taken me a good 8 seasons to get to d1 on another id. 8 vs 0 - thats a big difference, dont you think??
its important when considering this issue now, to not only consider how you would get there, now, but how would we have gotten there in the past. a lot of people have asked to make the rule, you CANT pick up a team within 1000 miles now, even in different divisions. but not to go back and make everyone move. people had really legitimate reasons to get multiple teams then, and now if you make someone drop a d1 team, and go start in another world - for them to get back to their A prestige d1 school, that could take multiple years, in real life terms. so i think your characterization of the time issue here, is just WAY off, not even close.
so, even if you think its easy not to need teams in a world now, as someone starting from scratch - that doesnt say anything about how it was in the past, or what it takes for people to get back where they are, if you make them move. THOSE are the two issues that must be considered for people who had multiple teams in the world, before the rule was in place. otherwise, you are comparing apples to oranges.
beyond that, you characterization of colonel's situation today today doesnt make any sense to me. colonels has 30 seasons at mount olive, getting to 200, 300, 400, 500 wins - those are big things for getting to d1. he could probably spend 2-3 seasons in d3, and have a pretty damn good chance of getting mount olive back. or, 1 in d3, and maybe 3 in d2, to be even safer. however, after 4 seasons, hes not going to be *ANYWHERE* close to getting the resume he has on his other ID. that could take him 15-30 seasons, to replicate a 30 season resume. moving up to d- d1 is not the same as moving up to a decent d1 gig, and i dont understand why you would characterize it that way.
for a guy who shows such deep analysis on certain issues (like how to set +/- in that thread, recently), it really feels to me that you are trying to make your point, in the interesting of winning the argument, instead of doing the full analysis to determine the reality of the situation, and to find the truth of the matter. i bet if you put half the analysis into this as you do on some other things, you will see the # of seasons it takes to retake your team is still way less than it is, to replicate that resume for purposes of advancement (even today - and it was more so true in the past, when there was only one 2/day world). even someone at a d3 school for 15 seasons who wants to move up, might not be able to jump to d1, but is WAY closer to getting a solid d1 school, because they probably have a good 300 wins. you can get those back in 15 seasons, or safely retake your school by picking up another d3 team for 1 season. its just not even close. its true that you could spend 1 season in d3, and move to d2, in 1 season instead of 0 - but that doesnt capture the entire picture, you are WAY closer to getting to d1 with the 300 win resume. furthermore, someone who has to drop their long time A prestige d1 team to get compliant today, who picked up teams in accordance with the rules, thats the difference between having a d1 team now, and spending as much as 15-20 seasons in another world to get back up. in 1/day, that could be THREE YEARS. to call these differences small or negligible just makes no sense to me.