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7/7/2013 1:26 PM
I dont usually play in leagues where I can use them, but is there conventional wisdom on which of the great Ruth seasons - and which of the great Gehrig seasons - are the best bets for success and value for money?
7/7/2013 2:35 PM
I play in mostly non-clone $255 leagues and have used 27 Gehrig and 23 Ruth. I've stopped using Gehrig though as he has not been consistent for me. I usually put Ruth at 1B and load up with other OF i like. Williams, Cobb, O'neill, Bonds, Mantle are other OF I use. Sometimes I put 22 Sisler or 48 Musial at 1B and leave 23 Ruth in the OF.
7/7/2013 4:19 PM
The cheaper Ruth seasons are better value at $80M cap simply because you cannot afford to spend too much on one hitter. At higher caps 1927 seems to get the most play but I think that reflects a bias toward HomeRuns and not the best overall value in that price range. If money doesn't matter then I agree with 1923.I've only used Gehrig a few times and he's been a mild disappointment.
7/8/2013 3:43 AM
Posted by rbow923 on 7/7/2013 4:19:00 PM (view original):
The cheaper Ruth seasons are better value at $80M cap simply because you cannot afford to spend too much on one hitter. At higher caps 1927 seems to get the most play but I think that reflects a bias toward HomeRuns and not the best overall value in that price range. If money doesn't matter then I agree with 1923.I've only used Gehrig a few times and he's been a mild disappointment.
Its not just about budgeting 1/5 your payroll on a single player.  Great player years will never be a bargain in an $80M league because of the pricing system WIS uses.  All other things (i.e. position and defense) being equal, WIS prices players according to Bill James' run created formula which is a curved function.  The better the player, the more you will pay for unit of performance.
 
 
7/8/2013 6:04 PM
so because of that curve - diminishing returns - you're saying that a team of 8 hitters each of whom is worth 8 million should be better/better value than a team of two 16 million hitters and 6 guys at 5.333 Million (assuming the same fielding, PA, etc etc)??
7/8/2013 11:28 PM
Posted by mamxet on 7/8/2013 6:04:00 PM (view original):
so because of that curve - diminishing returns - you're saying that a team of 8 hitters each of whom is worth 8 million should be better/better value than a team of two 16 million hitters and 6 guys at 5.333 Million (assuming the same fielding, PA, etc etc)??
Yes I believe this is basicaly true.  However, there are a lot of caveats: PA are not randomly distributed throughout your line-up, as you go down the line-up players will get fewer PAs so having a slightly top-heavy line-up is justifiable.  Perfromace will also vary by the batter's handedness, specific hit distribution, year etc.  (In other words, it is really hard to keep "all things equal."   
7/9/2013 1:21 AM
Ive had the best luck with 1920 Ruth. Ive tried that 1923 Ruth for that .393 but I never get the results I want. 1927 Gehrig seems to be the one most people use.
7/10/2013 3:31 PM
None of the Gehrigs hit well. I like 27 for the defense, or if the cap is tight, one of the lower PA, lower defense versions. I hate paying for 770 PAs of Gehrig if money is tight.
7/10/2013 5:39 PM
I like '20 and '21 Ruth, those guys will really hit it out for you.
7/23/2013 1:06 AM
gehrig 27 and ruth 21
7/24/2013 1:08 PM
Ruth @ 1921 & Gehrig @ 1927.  I love to play $255 @ Coors Field.   Also if you find a league where everyone plays at Coors, you will see some fantastic hitting, HR's, & RBI's.  Lot's of fun !
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